Linked by Jordan Spencer Cunningham on Tue 11th Aug 2009 00:47 UTC
Linux Hot off the compilation press, Arch Linux comes to its full 2009.08 grandeur with a myriad of new and updated features, including exciting new additions to be utilized in the AIF (Arch Linux Installation Framework) and more, detailed within.
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Congratulations Arch Linux
by Ford Prefect on Tue 11th Aug 2009 07:40 UTC
Ford Prefect
Member since:
2006-01-16

Back then, in 2003, I read an article here about a new Arch Linux release. It was one of the first releases they had ever. About 0.6 or sth.

I installed Arch Linux to give it a try. I ended up dumping my Debian installation for it.

Since then, I never reinstalled my system. Arch Linux progressed _a lot_, just as the linux kernel and a lot of userspace stuff did in the last five years.

My old Arch installation is still running. Some updates broke stuff, and you had to keep an eye on them: the transition of configuration files has to be done manually. But in the end, it is the same system as in 2003, but completely up-to-date with the latest and greatest.

Congratulations! This small "cutting edge" distro has proven to be a stable system; it never let me down.
Keep up the good work!

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RE: Congratulations Arch Linux
by bogomipz on Tue 11th Aug 2009 09:27 in reply to "Congratulations Arch Linux"
bogomipz Member since:
2005-07-11

Seconded. I did some distro jumping until I found Arch 0.5 and never looked back. It's the perfect distro for me.

I haven't done a new install since 2005, but when I did, I didn't even need to use the installer. Just create partitions, format them, mount them, and pacman --root /mnt -S [list of pkgs] to install the system.

EDIT: typo

Edited 2009-08-11 09:28 UTC

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RE: Congratulations Arch Linux
by Laurence on Tue 11th Aug 2009 09:44 in reply to "Congratulations Arch Linux"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26


My old Arch installation is still running. Some updates broke stuff, and you had to keep an eye on them: the transition of configuration files has to be done manually. But in the end, it is the same system as in 2003, but completely up-to-date with the latest and greatest.


That's the only thing that's stopped my loading Arch on the misses laptop (opted for Xubuntu after reading the review on here) as she's not that good with computers.

However, for me at least, Arch is easily my favourite Linux distro. I even run it on non-critical servers due to it's default minimal install and easy maintenance.

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RE: Congratulations Arch Linux
by KAMiKAZOW on Tue 11th Aug 2009 10:16 in reply to "Congratulations Arch Linux"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

Some updates broke stuff, and you had to keep an eye on them: the transition of configuration files has to be done manually.

Can you go into detail? I'm thinking of moving to Arch, because the rolling release concept fits me better than the traditional way of most other Linux distros with their individual releases every x months.
I'm no newb, but I don't like surprises.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Can you go into detail? I'm thinking of moving to Arch, because the rolling release concept fits me better than the traditional way of most other Linux distros with their individual releases every x months.
I'm no newb, but I don't like surprises.


I ran into "updates wouldn't install" during the period that I used Arch.

It wasn't hard to resolve. Shaman (the KDE GUI for Pacman) told me exactly what would have to be removed in order to avoid conflicts. I had to manually remove the indicated library, which in turn meant removing an number of applications that depended on those libraries.

However, trusting that it would work out, I did perform the manual removal, and I was then able to install the application I wanted, and then re-install the removed applications (at later versions themselves). All that it required was that manual first step to be approved, and the situation was then "unlocked" as it were.

A smarter package manager, such as aptitude, is able to work out this type of solution for you, and automatically perform all of the necessary removals of orphaned packages and installations of updated or new dependencies.

However, if you don't mind getting a bit "hands on" in the technical details of the OS, Arch is very good. One just has to accept that every now and then it will be a bit more "mandraulic" than some other distributions are.

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Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16

Well, the toughest that can happen to you is that some services stop working because the configs you had are not compatible any more. Warnings about this are normally printed during the update and can also be found in the pacman (package manager) log file.

Back in the early days, there was a lot going on with udev as a replacement of devfs etc. which could even make your system fail to boot. Here, crucial changes had to be made, like editing grub config. All the changes needed to stay compatible in general have to be done manually.

So every time you do an update: Watch out the messages printed and perhaps gather additional information on the website/forums.

Situation has improved a lot in the last years:
1. big changes like the transition to udev which led to "breakage" of the whole system are over
2. pacman and packaging policies have been improved to make life easier for the user (compatibility warnings were not common back then, you had to read them on the website)
3. for really tricky cases, even Arch starts using transition scripts (lately: change from vt* to tty -- nothing to be done by the user to keep the system booting/running)

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