Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 13th Aug 2009 22:06 UTC
Internet Explorer Let's continue the browser talk for a while. Let's move from the pinnacle of browsing, all the way down to the very drainage pit: Internet Explorer 6. To me, Internet Explorer 6 is that annoying zombie that just won't die that chops off 80 of your health in a grueling midnight Left 4 Dead expert session. Microsoft may not say so outright, but they seem to be implying they agree with me.
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Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Thu 13th Aug 2009 22:22 UTC
Kroc
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2005-11-10

Microsoft didn't expect web apps to outpace themselves. Basically, Firefox threw them for a duck. With 95% marketshare Microsoft expected web apps to be tied to Windows, IE & ActiveX. Then Firefox happened and now the innovation is happening outside their garden.

Microsoft's own browser is holding them back. They cannot crate the same kinds of compelling apps like Google are with Wave.

They are having to resort to using Silverlight to patch up the browser holes in Office:Web 2010. I pity the development team--no SVG, no Canvas, no Video/Audio tags, wonky JS/DOM, lack of even basic CSS. It must be hell.

IE is going to haemorrhage marketshare no matter what MS do unless they can play by everybody else's rules--and that means HTML5, Video-tag, SVG, decent JS speed and so on.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by werpu on Fri 14th Aug 2009 07:05 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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2006-01-18


They are having to resort to using Silverlight to patch up the browser holes in Office:Web 2010. I pity the development team--no SVG, no Canvas, no Video/Audio tags, wonky JS/DOM, lack of even basic CSS. It must be hell.

Dont pity those guys they at least can whack the guy next office who did the bug.
Pity the myriads of developers outside of Microsoft who are forced to still support IE6 because their customers demand it.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Lennie on Sat 15th Aug 2009 09:34 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

If you still use IE6 because of your intranet, you should get your intranet updated, because you'll be paying for IE6 anyway. Because when you want an other intranet-type site and still require IE6, you'll be paying extra to have it be fixed and butchered to work with IE6.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Lennie on Sat 15th Aug 2009 09:36 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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2007-09-22

whack the guy next office who did the bug.

I doubt that, because a lot of those people possible have already left Microsoft.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by modmans2ndcoming on Fri 14th Aug 2009 17:25 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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2005-11-09

I pity the development team--no SVG, no Canvas, no Video/Audio tags, wonky JS/DOM, lack of even basic CSS. It must be hell. IE is going to haemorrhage marketshare no matter what MS do unless they can play by everybody else's rules--and that means HTML5, Video-tag, SVG, decent JS speed and so on.


SVG? So what... silverlight gives you vector graphics.

Canvas... so what... silverlgiht dev does not need it

Video/AUdio? silverlight gives it to you

JS/DOM... so what... I have C# and .net

CSS.... silverlight maintains my layout for me accross browsers.

.net and xml based vector graphics.... beats teh crap out of HTML 5 and JS/DOM

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by gustl on Sun 16th Aug 2009 17:50 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
gustl Member since:
2006-01-19


SVG? So what... silverlight gives you vector graphics.

Canvas... so what... silverlgiht dev does not need it

Video/AUdio? silverlight gives it to you

JS/DOM... so what... I have C# and .net

CSS.... silverlight maintains my layout for me accross browsers.

.net and xml based vector graphics.... beats teh crap out of HTML 5 and JS/DOM


And all of it is the same old non-standardized crap some of us loathe Microsoft for.

The problems with Microsoft are not so often technical ones, but their constant, neverending attempts to control the internet protocols.

There was closed-source binary-only flash video capability. W3C agreed on working out a standard for video, but along coms Microsoft and presents us: SIlverlight! ANOTHER framework which is as annoying for the world as flash, without offering the slightest advantage over existing fully specified and already freely implemented standards.

If something like Google's wave client can be programmed in JavaScript, then what the hell is Microsoft trying to do with Siverlight?
No sane Software company will use Silverlight to reach 60% - 80% of the potential customers, when they can have 100% with JS.

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