Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 13th Aug 2009 22:06 UTC
Internet Explorer Let's continue the browser talk for a while. Let's move from the pinnacle of browsing, all the way down to the very drainage pit: Internet Explorer 6. To me, Internet Explorer 6 is that annoying zombie that just won't die that chops off 80 of your health in a grueling midnight Left 4 Dead expert session. Microsoft may not say so outright, but they seem to be implying they agree with me.
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I have a confession to make. I, an admin of Linux desktops, dedicated to Truth, Justice, and the American Way, and all that sort of rot, am in a position of supporting IE6's presence on the Internet.

How did this strange state of affairs come about? Well, it's a sad and sordid tale. Microsoft was so successful in promoting IE6 that a number of business critical sites, which my clients need to use every day in order to conduct their core business, absolutely require IE. I was forced, kicking and screaming, into providing IE6 under Crossover Office to my users. (There was simply no other way. And believe me, I looked for one.) Until recently... the only supported version of IE was IE6. IE7 is now "supported". But it doesn't work worth a damn.

So every time one of my users goes out with IE6 to one of these sites, we are casting another vote for IE6 on the web. AND THERE'S NOT A DAMNED THING I CAN DO ABOUT IT! Can you hear my resentment?

Oh, we use Epiphany as our primary browser. And I sternly discourage the use of IE for anything that does not require it. But it still makes me feel dirty, that despite all my best intentions it has come to this.

Edited 2009-08-13 22:43 UTC

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leech Member since:

On the subject of Evil applications that Microsoft has created over the years that they are trying to get away from... Outlook. While most already know that IE6 was the epitome of evil in the Browser world, with it's lackluster support for standards. Outlook is just as bad, and realistically only useful when you're using it in a flat out Microsoft environment.

It really doesn't work that well with a Postfix and Courier set up. Having strange enough issues that require a reboot to fix them.

And much like IE6, I think MS is trying to kill it off. In fact, a recent update forced Outlook express to change it's language to Russian of all things. And there was no fix. They basically said "Outlook Express is no longer supported." Good, there is a decent enough version of Evolution for Windows now. Or Thunderbird. Use those!

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jptros Member since:

I don't agree that they're trying to kill outlook, infact they're releasing an outlook, not entourage, but an outlook for the upcoming mac office (I think 2010). As for outlook express, it's already dead, even windows mail in vista is as good as dead, windows live mail is what they're pushing now for a free mail client.

Anyway, maybe you meant outlook express in places you said outlook because they're two totally different beasts. Outlook (that comes with office) isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

FWIW, Outlook and Outlook express tend to behave well with postfix and dovecot provided a few options are set server side to deal with some of their quirks. Occasionally we'll see a stray outlook process that hoses up send/receive and has to be killed off manually to get outlook working again.

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google_ninja Member since:

MS never actually promoted IE6, which was pretty much a maintenance release (they basically stopped treating ie like a product after destroying netscape, and didnt start again until FF got a sizable market share)

The problem with big corporations that have small, crappy IT departments is that those small, crappy IT departments don't like to vet new software. Because of that, for a very long time IE6 was pretty much the only browser guaranteed to be available in a corporate setting. What makes the situation worse is while this browser war is about standards compliance, the last one was about proprietary extensions. Nowadays it is pretty trivial to support everyone, and if you don't you are throwing away a significant amount of potential users. Back then it was a royal pain, especially with "enterprisey" applications that are wildly complex with loads of javascript.

There was a large poll a few months ago asking people why they were still on IE6, and the three main reasons were that they weren't allowed, didn't have admin access, or didn't know how to upgrade. At this point, nobody is really using it because they want to, they use it because they have to.

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