Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 15th Aug 2009 17:55 UTC
X11, Window Managers Over the past couple of months, and especially over the past couple of weeks, I've been working very hard to write and complete my thesis. I performed all the work on Windows 7, but now that the thesis is finally done, submitted, and accepted, I installed Ubuntu - and immediately I was reminded of why I do not do any serious work on Linux: the train wreck that is X.org.
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Advantages/Disadvantages
by JMcCarthy on Sat 15th Aug 2009 18:42 UTC
JMcCarthy
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2005-08-12

You dismiss the ability to easily kill and restart X as pointless/useless, I disagree. Certainly in your scenario, but there are plenty of others. For me the background stuff is more important.

In Windows I've had misbehaving apps lock the whole damn system up requiring a complete restart, on top of other things. Different causes/faults but the result is the same. This problem is just as alien to me in Linux, as your problem is to you in Windows. And I encounter both problems in their respective environments just about equally.

Maybe Windows could learn a thing or two from Linux. Better yet, maybe they could learn a thing or two from each other. You're not wrong when you say the GUI stack in Windows is more fault tolerant.

Edited 2009-08-15 18:47 UTC

RE: Advantages/Disadvantages
by darknexus on Sat 15th Aug 2009 18:52 in reply to "Advantages/Disadvantages"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

For the ordinary user, an X crash and a system hang are one in the same. They don't know what the X server is, they don't know they can restart it, and they don't care. For them it's quicker to just reboot anyway.

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RE[2]: Advantages/Disadvantages
by UZ64 on Sun 16th Aug 2009 07:22 in reply to "RE: Advantages/Disadvantages"
UZ64 Member since:
2006-12-05

For the ordinary user, an X crash and a system hang are one in the same. They don't know what the X server is, they don't know they can restart it, and they don't care. For them it's quicker to just reboot anyway.

Yet X.org themselves decide to go the Microsoft/Apple route and make it impossible to use Ctrl+Alt+Backspace by default. Genius thinking there. And don't mention RightAlt+SysRq+K; the original was much easier to remember due to its similarity to the combination Microsoft made famous over a decade ago: Ctrl+Alt+Del. To make it worse, most people probably don't know what the hell the "SysRq" key even is (let alone its co-existence as "Print Screen"), and the fact that a specific "Alt" key is required (the right one) complicates things even more.

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Well no.
by brandonlive on Sun 16th Aug 2009 18:05 in reply to "Advantages/Disadvantages"
brandonlive Member since:
2008-05-31

Making stuff up isn't any way to win an argument. Of course one app can't bring down a Windows system. That just shows how out of touch you are.

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