Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 15th Aug 2009 17:55 UTC
X11, Window Managers Over the past couple of months, and especially over the past couple of weeks, I've been working very hard to write and complete my thesis. I performed all the work on Windows 7, but now that the thesis is finally done, submitted, and accepted, I installed Ubuntu - and immediately I was reminded of why I do not do any serious work on Linux: the train wreck that is X.org.
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RE: The best thing
by neticspace on Sat 15th Aug 2009 20:12 UTC in reply to "The best thing"
neticspace
Member since:
2009-06-09

Leave X to the big, networked GUIs that really need it and give the average desktop user something much simpler.


This is must be emphasized. X Window System is more optimal for non-desktop usages and a lot of UNIX or Linux users know this by heart.

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RE[2]: The best thing
by zlynx on Sat 15th Aug 2009 21:26 in reply to "RE: The best thing"
zlynx Member since:
2005-07-20

"Leave X to the big, networked GUIs that really need it and give the average desktop user something much simpler.


This is must be emphasized. X Window System is more optimal for non-desktop usages and a lot of UNIX or Linux users know this by heart.
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Only those Linux users who don't know anything and are looking for something to blame for their problems.

All the other operating systems have gone to the X model with a server process for graphics: dwm.exe on Windows and the compositor on OSX.

If you want me (I can't speak for other people) to take your X complaint seriously, show us the API usage in Windows or OSX that compare to X and how the other desktop system is better.

Now, believe it or not, I do believe Win7 is currently far more advanced because of the work MS put into multithreaded API usage. But Windows Vista and previous versions are not.

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RE[3]: The best thing
by samad on Sun 16th Aug 2009 13:58 in reply to "RE[2]: The best thing"
samad Member since:
2006-03-31

I don't know how Vista/Win7 works, but Quartz in Mac OS X is nothing like X.org. It does NOT adopt a client/server paradigm the same way X does.

X requires clients to send simple, 80's-style graphics commands. Quartz has taken an approach more evolved, where applications send it PDF commands that are automatically antialiased and are resolution independent.

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RE[3]: The best thing
by Morgan on Mon 17th Aug 2009 01:00 in reply to "RE[2]: The best thing"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I'll bite.

As I stated in another comment, X has its roots in a server/thin client model, way back when it wasn't economical to have a local windowing system on a workstation. Today, that model is still at the heart of X and in my personal opinion is one hundred percent useless in a desktop OS.

Windows' and OS X's UI stacks have never, ever had that ability, because they never needed it.

It's time for X to move aside and make room for a modern, responsive and rock-solid-stable UI in the vein of Quartz/Aqua.

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