Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 19th Aug 2009 16:23 UTC, submitted by Moulinneuf
Remember the very detailed proposal Microsoft submitted to the European Commission not too long ago about the browser ballot? This was quite the detailed proposal, covering just about every possible aspect of such a ballot screen. Responses were positive from within the EC, but now it seems that according to the Mozilla Foundation, the proposal is not good enough.
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Member since:2005-07-24
Uhhh... RTFA much? No matter which browser you choose to use, IE is on the desktop, on the panel, and in the menus. OK, "In the menus" might be defensible. But certainly not the part where the user has said "I want to use Chrome" and IE is then put all over the desktop. You (and Molly) are clearly the one's "twisting" the issue.
Edited 2009-08-19 20:41 UTC
RE[4]: Not Legitimate
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 19th Aug 2009 20:47
in reply to "RE[3]: Not Legitimate"
Member since:2005-06-29
Uhhh... RTFA much? No matter which browser you choose to use, IE is on the desktop, on the panel, and in the menus. OK, "In the menus" might be defensible. But certainly not the part where the user has said "I want to use Chrome" and IE is then put all over the desktop. You (and Molly) are clearly the one's "twisting" the issue.
The problem here is this: are we talking about *existing* installations, or *new* installations? On a new installation, I can somewhat see the point in actually selecting a *single* browser during installation, and then have IE ditched automatically.
On an existing installation, however, that is completely preposterous. On an existing installation, a browser selected through the ballot should not cause another piece of software to magically vanish. And if you were to put in a warning stating IE was going to be removed, I'm sure a lot of people would refrain from selecting a non-IE browser ("but I can't go back!").
Edited 2009-08-19 20:47 UTC
Member since:2006-03-23
Do... you even understand how to conduct an argument? You take a point someone makes, analyze it, explain why you think they are wrong, and make a counterargument explaining why you are right.
Instead, you replied with... this completely unitelligable garbage.
Uhhh... RTFA much? No matter which browser you choose to use, IE is on the desktop, on the panel, and in the menus. OK, "In the menus" might be defensible. But certainly not the part where the user has said "I want to use Chrome" and IE is then put all over the desktop. You (and Molly) are clearly the one's "twisting" the issue.
First, are you talking about on a browser ballot Win7 system? If that is the case, you're hilariously wrong, as Microsoft has pointed out, IE will appear NOWHERE but on the ballot screen. Read Microsoft's proposal if you think I'm "twisting" the issue. It's in there, clear as day.
I'm not twisting the issue. You're unwilling to approach it logically.
Edited 2009-08-19 20:49 UTC
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2006-03-23
How exactly is ballot concept flawed? Your logic is flawed there - the ballot is there to choose, but you somehow are twisting it around into a situation where the choice has been made for the consumer. I don't quite understand what point you're trying to make. The consumer will be allowed to choose. That's not a done deal decided behind closed doors. Where are you getting that idea from?
Uhh, why is it wrong for Microsoft to include a component of the OS, something that IE is built on, and something that no other browser is forced to use in any way shape or form? How exactly is that wrong?
Your comment makes absolutely no sense.