Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 19th Aug 2009 16:23 UTC, submitted by Moulinneuf
Mozilla & Gecko clones Remember the very detailed proposal Microsoft submitted to the European Commission not too long ago about the browser ballot? This was quite the detailed proposal, covering just about every possible aspect of such a ballot screen. Responses were positive from within the EC, but now it seems that according to the Mozilla Foundation, the proposal is not good enough.
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RE: Comment by BluenoseJake
by wumip on Thu 20th Aug 2009 19:38 UTC in reply to "Comment by BluenoseJake"
wumip
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2009-08-20

I guess the time has come to give Chrome a try, as this kind of foolishness is really starting to annoy me.

Sorry to disappoint you, but if you are going to boycott Firefox over antitrust stuff you'll have to boycott Chrome as well:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2007/06/google-launches-ant...

And you'll have to ditch Windows too:

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/21/microsofts-arguments-again...

Will you practice what you preach? I wonder.

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BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

"I guess the time has come to give Chrome a try, as this kind of foolishness is really starting to annoy me.

Sorry to disappoint you, but if you are going to boycott Firefox over antitrust stuff you'll have to boycott Chrome as well:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2007/06/google-launches-ant...

And you'll have to ditch Windows too:

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/21/microsofts-arguments-again...

Will you practice what you preach? I wonder.
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I'm not annoyed with Mozilla because of Anti-trust, but because even though they just announced a billion downloads, and have been gaining marketshare steadily for years, they think they can still whine and moan like they are the underdogs.

Even Opera has more of a case than Mozilla for anti-trust violations.

I couldn't give a crap about desktop search, so your first argument is bogus. Googles desktop search is not their browser, nor their search engine. Oh, and that article is 2 years old, and they lost.

As far as Windows is concerned, I tend to use the best tool for the job, if that means Windows, then it's Windows, if that means Debian, then it's Debian, if it's FreeBSD, then it's FreeBSD. I need to have Windows around because of work, but I tend to use a lot of Debian at home. It's because I get to choose what I use, not Mozilla, not the EU and not anybody else.

That argument is also against 2 years old, and when it comes to online search and ads, Google is the monopoly and MS a distant 3rd.

A browser is just that a browser, there are 4 or 5 choices to decide between, and I'll pick the one that annoys me the least. Trying to compare the choice between a browser and an OS is just a weak argument. Sometimes the choice is clear, especially when deploying desktops at work, or building one for a family member. Sometimes you have many criteria and then you get to decide.

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RE[3]: Comment by BluenoseJake
by wumip on Thu 20th Aug 2009 20:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by BluenoseJake"
wumip Member since:
2009-08-20

I'm not annoyed with Mozilla because of Anti-trust, but because even though they just announced a billion downloads, and have been gaining marketshare steadily for years, they think they can still whine and moan like they are the underdogs.

They aren't "whining and moaning". They are posting some perfectly valid concerns. Are you really saying that they shouldn't look carefully at Microsoft's proposal to spot any problems with it?

Even Opera has more of a case than Mozilla for anti-trust violations.

Sigh. The antitrust case is not because of actions against any specific companies. Google, Opera and Mozilla are IRRELEVANT. The only thing that's relevant is what Microsoft did to the MARKET.

I couldn't give a crap about desktop search, so your first argument is bogus. Googles desktop search is not their browser, nor their search engine. Oh, and that article is 2 years old, and they lost.

Desktop Search?

Yes, the complaint was rejected. That's the point. At least the current complaint against Microsoft has actual merit. Google and Microsoft, on the other hand, keep filing antitrust complaints without merit!

A browser is just that a browser

No, the browser is not JUST a browser. It's becoming the most important development platform! It's vitally important that no single company is able to control the web!

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