Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 21st Aug 2009 08:49 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Geeks.com, home of cheap netbooks, sent us in the HP 1120NR netbook, running a modified version of Ubuntu Linux. Check inside to read our experience with it.
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RE[2]: Crippled...
by jibadeeha on Fri 21st Aug 2009 12:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Crippled..."
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2009-08-10

[q]So it begs the question, why can't these manufacturers work on ubuntu netbook and ship that with the machines instead?

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, perhaps a better question is: why *don't* these manufacturers work on ubuntu netbook and ship that with the machines instead? If I didn't know any better, I'd think Microsoft was paying them to make sure their Linux offerings look as crippled and useless as is humanly possible. Not just HP either, obviously. A sane person, however, wonders why these manufacturers can't learn from one another's errors. They have intelligent people in charge, as they all got to where they are today, so that only leaves one possibility that I can see... deliberate crippling to promote another product, Windows in this case. Pathetic.


If that was the case then why would HP even bother with Linux on a netbook in the first place, and wouldn't Microsoft pay them not to bother? I think the reality is that XP is too expensive (compared to Linux) for the netbook and Vista is a performance hog, so Linux is a viable alternative to drive down cost of the netbook and indeed XP itself as Microsoft see it as competition.

I doubt companies such as HP intentionally go out of their way to cripple their own products, its more like they want to brand their own version of Linux and offer a compelling user experience that people like me and you would probably mistake for dumbing down the OS. Just my take on things, but not necessarily true.

Edited 2009-08-21 12:45 UTC

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RE[3]: Crippled...
by kaiwai on Fri 21st Aug 2009 13:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Crippled..."
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2005-07-06

If that was the case then why would HP even bother with Linux on a netbook in the first place, and wouldn't Microsoft pay them not to bother? I think the reality is that XP is too expensive (compared to Linux) for the netbook and Vista is a performance hog, so Linux is a viable alternative to drive down cost of the netbook and indeed XP itself as Microsoft see it as competition.

I doubt companies such as HP intentionally go out of their way to cripple their own products, its more like they want to brand their own version of Linux and offer a compelling user experience that people like me and you would probably mistake for dumbing down the OS. Just my take on things, but not necessarily true.


The reason why some make the statement of HP crippling their products is the disbelief that such a large organisation could lack harnessing of talent and direction so badly as to produce a product that is so horrible. How can an organisation such as HP produce such a horrible product given that at their disposal a large army of programmers, mountains of source code from various projects to select from and customise, and the ability to select components for not only their price but on the level of support already available in the kernel.

HP had all the components; they had a lego set in which they could build almost anything they want but they did the absolute minimum and we see the result as show in the review. A company who have failed to realise that when you go with Linux, all the decisions are placed on your shoulder. You decide the hardware, you write the drivers or improve existing drivers, you make the distribution and customise it to fulfill tasks for the target audience of the device. HP is still stuck in the mentality of "lets just image the computer and shunt it out the door" - sorry, that might work in the Windows world but this isn't Windows, its Linux.

Edited 2009-08-21 13:11 UTC

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RE[4]: Crippled...
by jibadeeha on Fri 21st Aug 2009 13:36 in reply to "RE[3]: Crippled..."
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2009-08-10


The reason why some make the statement of HP crippling their products is the disbelief that such a large organisation could lack harnessing of talent and direction so badly as to produce a product that is so horrible. How can an organisation such as HP produce such a horrible product given that at their disposal a large army of programmers, mountains of source code from various projects to select from and customise, and the ability to select components for not only their price but on the level of support already available in the kernel.

HP had all the components; they had a lego set in which they could build almost anything they want but they did the absolute minimum and we see the result as show in the review. A company who have failed to realise that when you go with Linux, all the decisions are placed on your shoulder. You decide the hardware, you write the drivers or improve existing drivers, you make the distribution and customise it to fulfill tasks for the target audience of the device. HP is still stuck in the mentality of "lets just image the computer and shunt it out the door" - sorry, that might work in the Windows world but this isn't Windows, its Linux.


But you have to remember that all of what you mention above takes time and costs money, and HP are not in the business of building desktop operating systems to compete in the market. They just want a cheap OS on their netbook that provides the usual every day apps (firefox, openoffice, etc) - they don't care if it isn't as good as XP or OS X, as long as it sells.

HP could have all the resource and money in the world, but it doesn't mean to say they will be good at building a desktop operating system. How many large companies have all the man power and stack loads of cash, but produce shoddy products? Plenty!

If HP were to invest a lot of time, resource, and money into customising a version of Linux for the netbook, then they may as well spend that money and resource on integrating Windows XP on to their netbook product - the work is virtually done.

Somebody in HP will have calculated that it is cheaper to get a small team together to tweak Linux and put that on the netbook, than it would be to pay Microsoft to put XP on it.

Now, if I were into consipiracy theories then I would say that HP would prefer you to buy an expensive laptop instead of a netbook so they get more per unit.

They can't ignore the netbook market, but they can put a crippled version of Linux on the netbook to detract you from purchasing the netbook and instead buying an expensive laptop with Windows Vista on it. Thus using netbooks to persuade you into buying a laptop.

Edited 2009-08-21 13:43 UTC

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RE[4]: Crippled...
by ricegf on Fri 21st Aug 2009 15:27 in reply to "RE[3]: Crippled..."
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2007-04-25

They don't even have to use the Lego set - just install Ubuntu Netbook Remix onto a device with supported components, and ship it as is. It's not like all the "effort" they put into creating this travesty of a netbook helped; they just created another pointless distro, while Ubuntu NBR is a *very* nice product as is.

BTW, a much better option is the System76 Starling - read my review at http://ricegf.com/index.php?page=review&review=0000. [Website is still a work in progress, but review's done. /commercial ;-) ]

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RE[3]: Crippled...
by lord_rob on Sat 22nd Aug 2009 17:12 in reply to "RE[2]: Crippled..."
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2005-08-06

I had read previously that Microsoft gave Windows for free on netbooks, just in the hope of avoiding the progress linux of course.

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