Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Aug 2009 18:46 UTC
Law and Order Another week, and another set of filings in the Apple vs. Psystar case. And yes, the case continues to get grittier and grittier. Last week Apple accused Psystar of destroying evidence, and this week Psystar is kicking it up a notch. The depositions of key Apple employees are currently under way, and August 14, it was Phil Schiller's turn. According to Psystar, Schiller was "wholly unprepared and unwilling to testify". At the same time, Apple has suddenly told the courts it will no longer seek recovery of lost profits from Psystar, because that would require Apple to give out its profit margins - and Apple doesn't want to do that.
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Mostly Public Info
by LobalSurgery on Fri 21st Aug 2009 21:42 UTC
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2006-09-07

Apple's net margin is public info. It was 14.7% last quarter. They just don't break it down by product. It may be a little higher for Macs & iPhones than it is for iPods, music and software (or maybe not), but it gives you a general idea.

Other noteworthy net margins in the computer industry last quarter (all info is from Google Finance):

Intel: -5.0% (oddly, their previous quarter was 8.8%)
Dell: 2.3%
HP: 6.3%
IBM: 13.3%
Adobe: 17.9%
Microsoft: 23.2%
Google: 26.9%
Oracle: 27.6%

RE: Mostly Public Info
by Eddyspeeder on Fri 21st Aug 2009 22:31 in reply to "Mostly Public Info"
Eddyspeeder Member since:
2006-05-10

We do know Apple's sales (not profit) broken down per product, see the 2nd table on this page:
http://www.osnews.com/story/21871/Apple_Reports_Best_Non-Holiday_Qu...

Additionally, Thom has recited on comment pages several times that about 50% of those sales are in the United States alone (leaving the other 50% for the rest of the world). I, in turn, wonder if certain areas of the States (NYC, SF, LA) make up the majority of those U.S. sales.

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RE: Mostly Public Info
by mrhasbean on Fri 21st Aug 2009 22:35 in reply to "Mostly Public Info"
mrhasbean Member since:
2006-04-03

Intel: -5.0% (oddly, their previous quarter was 8.8%)
Dell: 2.3%
HP: 6.3%
IBM: 13.3%
Adobe: 17.9%
Microsoft: 23.2%
Google: 26.9%
Oracle: 27.6%


Interesting to look at these comparatively to see where you are truly paying a premium. When Apple's "performance" (quality, reliability, customer satisfaction etc) in the industry is discussed maybe we should also be looking comparatively at those who are making even higher margins than them?

Those who have followed the case in more detail will remember that the exact same thing happened when Apple was 'depositioning' Psystar; Apple also claimed Psystar was not answering questions properly about the company's financial information. In that case, the judge sided with Apple.


The difference here is a companies financial position is a statement of fact which is (well, should be) readily available, a quantification of damages is something that is developed through a combination of historical figures and expert opinion about probable future impact, and is often fluid throughout the process as points are won or conceded. At the deposition stage he would be required to outline the areas of business he believes have been affected by Pystar's operation but quantification of the actual damages to those areas of business would come later.

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