Linked by David Adams on Mon 24th Aug 2009 09:21 UTC
Linux A reader asks: Why is Linux still not as user friendly as the two other main OSes with all the people developing for Linux? Is it because it is mainly developed by geeks? My initial feeling when reading this question was that it was kind of a throwaway, kind of a slam in disguise as a genuine question. But the more I thought about it, the more intrigued I felt. There truly are a large amount of resources being dedicated to the development of Linux and its operating system halo (DEs, drivers, apps, etc). Some of these resources are from large companies (IBM, Red Hat, Novell). Why isn't Linux more user-friendly? Is this an inherent limitation with open source software?
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RE: user-friendly
by kenji on Mon 24th Aug 2009 15:56 UTC in reply to "user-friendly"
kenji
Member since:
2009-04-08

Thanks for saying that for me. 'User-friendliness' is not quantifiable because it is very, very subjective. There is absolutely no way to claim a piece of software as universally 'user-friendly' or not.

"Often, user-friendliness is conflated with beginner-friendliness, and this is a grave error."

Yes, but that is exactly what the initial question was pertaining to.

I use linux BECAUSE it is user-friendly to ME. I use Mandriva w/ GNOME and Fedora 11 w/ GNOME because it is user-friendly to ME. I would never claim that they are user-friendly to anyone else.

I would also like to add a philosophical point. The old saying, "Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man how to fish and feed him for a lifetime." holds wieght for software too, in my opinion. Dumbing down user interfaces only helps new users and only for a finite time. Eventually even new users become proficient and holding them back with lame hand-holding doesn't make sense in the long term.

Make interfaces logical, consistent and efficient. That is the way towards user-friendliness in my opinion.

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RE[2]: user-friendly
by vivainio on Mon 24th Aug 2009 16:30 in reply to "RE: user-friendly"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

I would also like to add a philosophical point. The old saying, "Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man how to fish and feed him for a lifetime." holds wieght for software too, in my opinion. Dumbing down user interfaces only helps new users and only for a finite time. Eventually even new users become proficient and holding them back with lame hand-holding doesn't make sense in the long term.


This holds true for a certain set of applications (esp. server side software). However, some software is meant for "one-off" operations where you are not all that interested to learn to fish in the first place. X configuration with multiple monitors is such a thing, as well as setting up your wlan (or rest of the network). Incidentally, this is not a problem with ui design but rather your usual buggy software that can be corrected by finite manpower.

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RE[3]: user-friendly
by l3v1 on Tue 25th Aug 2009 07:25 in reply to "RE[2]: user-friendly"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

Incidentally, this is not a problem with ui design but rather your usual buggy software


Exactly, but for most "users" that is "user-unfriendly", since they don't see and don't care how or why it doesn't work, and they don't want to spend any time or effort for finding it out. That'd be ok, but instead of using what they'd feel more friendly, they come out and start complaining how bad that is, and wondering how come this sw, app, os, etc. doesn't live up to their expectations. It should be understood that if you get something for nothing then your demands should be requests, your complaints should be reports, and lacks in usability should be amended with your friendliness and will to contribute - if not with dev or support, then with patience and some effort.

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RE[2]: user-friendly
by l3v1 on Tue 25th Aug 2009 07:20 in reply to "RE: user-friendly"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

I use linux BECAUSE it is user-friendly to ME.


No problem with that, you can make your choice. Fun explodes, when people come about with demands of their own user-friendly criteria, thinking they can represent somehow the general user public. Also, for a lot of people user-friendliness means that everything works (and sometimes looks) the same as things used to work on some other OS they are accustomed to. Ehh, I can't see an end to this question, no light at the end of the tunnel. All devs can sanely do is work towards consistency and logical behavior and hope for the best ;)

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