Linked by David Adams on Mon 24th Aug 2009 09:21 UTC
Linux A reader asks: Why is Linux still not as user friendly as the two other main OSes with all the people developing for Linux? Is it because it is mainly developed by geeks? My initial feeling when reading this question was that it was kind of a throwaway, kind of a slam in disguise as a genuine question. But the more I thought about it, the more intrigued I felt. There truly are a large amount of resources being dedicated to the development of Linux and its operating system halo (DEs, drivers, apps, etc). Some of these resources are from large companies (IBM, Red Hat, Novell). Why isn't Linux more user-friendly? Is this an inherent limitation with open source software?
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kopernikus
Member since:
2009-08-24

did you have to edit synaptic repository files? I bet you did. I windows I click download, wait for it to appear on my desktop then double click and I am good to go. Not so in ubuntu or any other distro

Installing a program on linux = single click icon. There, win ;)

Ok, lets test:

>> apt-search acrobat
libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java - report library for java
libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java-doc - report library for java documentation
balazarbrothers - 3D puzzle game
libpdf-fdf-simple-perl - Perl module to read and write (Acrobat) FDF files
libpdf-reuse-perl - Reuse and mass produce PDF documents
xpdf - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite
xpdf-common - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite -- common files
xpdf-reader - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite -- viewer for X11
xpdf-utils - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite -- utilities
xpdf-chinese-simplified - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite -- simplified Chinese language support
xpdf-chinese-traditional - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite -- traditional Chinese language support
xpdf-japanese - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite -- Japanese language support
xpdf-korean - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite -- Korean language support

Ooops...., ok lets go to adobe.com, download installer navigate to download dir and doubleclick AdbeRdr9.1.2-1_i486linux_enu.bin. Now we get some "Open with..." dialog asking for an application to handle the filetype ".bin". Ooops....

At this point any non-expert is simply lost. Of course you all can now start with lengthy explanations why this was the wrong approach, something is not configured, etc, etc,.... BUT, in reality this is a testament to the very MESS that is linux.

- repository has no acrobat (for religious reasons)
- .bin is not known as a filetype -> FAIL
- there is no standard way to mark executable files
....oh wait, there is...*does chmod 775 on AdbRd9-xxx.bin, doubleclicks* -> FAIL

You have to rename to blabla.sh and the filemanager will offer "execute" option (thunar by the way, but still *linux* right?)

cheers

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ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

Ooops...., ok lets go to adobe.com, download installer navigate to download dir and doubleclick AdbeRdr9.1.2-1_i486linux_enu.bin. Now we get some "Open with..." dialog asking for an application to handle the filetype ".bin". Ooops....


How about going to adobe.com, selecting your operating system (say, ubuntu) and downloading the deb file?

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kopernikus Member since:
2009-08-24

"Ooops...., ok lets go to adobe.com, download installer navigate to download dir and doubleclick AdbeRdr9.1.2-1_i486linux_enu.bin. Now we get some "Open with..." dialog asking for an application to handle the filetype ".bin". Ooops....


How about going to adobe.com, selecting your operating system (say, ubuntu) and downloading the deb file?
"

LOL! Have you tried or are you just trolling? FWIW There is no "operating system" called ubuntu at adobe.com (are you really expecting Adobe to ship a native package for X+100 PMs out there?).

cheers

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ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

- .bin is not known as a filetype -> FAIL


Guess what: linux identifies files for their actual file type and not by their extension.
A .bin though wont execute until it's been marked as executable (which it's not by default, and that's a good thing).

- there is no standard way to mark executable files


Right click -> properties -> permissions? I still haven't found any file browser that doesn't let you change file attributes (ok, maybe you can find some obscure app that doesn't, if you dig deep enough).

Edited 2009-08-24 20:35 UTC

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kopernikus Member since:
2009-08-24

"- .bin is not known as a filetype -> FAIL


Guess what: linux identifies files for their actual file type and not by their extension.
A .bin though wont execute until it's been marked as executable (which it's not by default, and that's a good thing).

Except it doesn't. Have you tried double-clicking on a .bin file? And yes, I *know* I can type "file bla.bin" and get the file info...
Oh, and how did you manage to snip my comment about doing "chmod"? You might have seen that I'm perfectly aware of x-permissions (but that shouldn't be a concern here anyway since I was supposed to install software with a single click right?)



- there is no standard way to mark executable files


Right click -> properties -> permissions? I still haven't found any file browser that doesn't let you change file attributes (ok, maybe you can find some obscure app that doesn't, if you dig deep enough).
"

Now we're far away from "single click"...,and NO even with chmod 0755 it didn't work because Acrobat happens to be a text based installer and if you "execute" it thru the file manager there is no /dev/stdout -> HANG!

Maybe this is just to avoid paying royalties to amazon for their "one click" patent?

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