Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Aug 2009 22:23 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source When Windows Vista was launched, the Free Software Foundation started its BadVista campaign, which was aimed at informing users about what the FSF considered user-restrictive features in Vista. Luckily for the FSF, Vista didn't really need a bad-mouthing campaign to fail. Now that Windows 7 is receiving a lot of positive press, the FSF dusted off the BadVista drum, and gave it a fresh coat of paint.
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Agreed
by WereCatf on Wed 26th Aug 2009 22:31 UTC
WereCatf
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2006-02-15

The Free software world has enough to offer, but it always seems like the only time you ever really hear about the FSF is when they're busy badmouthing someone or something else. This doesn't leave a good impression with people.

They've been doing that for years and it still hasn't made much of a difference. Badmouthing others always, ALWAYS, leaves also a negative image of you and just doesn't make you look credible.

FSF really should make themselves heard in some entirely different way and try not to look so much like bitter lunatics.

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RE: Agreed
by lemur2 on Wed 26th Aug 2009 22:57 in reply to "Agreed"
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2007-02-17

Badmouthing others always, ALWAYS, leaves also a negative image of you and just doesn't make you look credible.


Why shouldn't that very thought apply to Microsoft themselves?

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RE[2]: Agreed
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 26th Aug 2009 23:13 in reply to "RE: Agreed"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Because MS isn't the underdog?

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RE[2]: Agreed
by WorknMan on Thu 27th Aug 2009 16:12 in reply to "RE: Agreed"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Why shouldn't that very thought apply to Microsoft themselves?


I think it does apply to Microsoft. If you don't use Microsoft products, and they start off on some campaign to bash OSS with, does that make you feel more compelled to use their software? The thing about these kind of fecal dart throwing crusades is that there's never any balance either way, because you know that all one side is going to tell you is exactly what they want you to hear and nothing more.

What the FSF needs to do is drop the politics and show people how they're going to be more productive and get more done using free software. And if that isn't possible, then they've got nothing.

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RE: Agreed
by sbergman27 on Wed 26th Aug 2009 23:22 in reply to "Agreed"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

FSF really should make themselves heard in some entirely different way and try not to look so much like bitter lunatics.

However, the bitter lunatics of the FSF *do* deserve credit for being honest and forthright, rather than hiding behind a false facade of sanity and reason.

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RE[2]: Agreed
by darknexus on Wed 26th Aug 2009 23:57 in reply to "RE: Agreed"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Perhaps, but sanity and reason often get further than outright raving madness in the long run.

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Comment by Moulinneuf
by Moulinneuf on Thu 27th Aug 2009 01:18 in reply to "Agreed"
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2005-07-06

They've been doing that for years and it still hasn't made much of a difference


Being #1 for decades on everything , don't mean the FSF as to stop reminding people about why proprietary is bad. It's like your parent telling you poison and fire is bad for your health.

Badmouthing others always, ALWAYS, leaves also a negative image of you and just doesn't make you look credible.


That's why the proprietary software have such a bad image and reputation and use anonymous coward to promote it in public , the FSF is rather unknown , because it does it's job so well people forget it mater and is #1 , the FSF always leave a good impression on those who use it and follow in it's way of doing things.

You never feel bad giving and sharing your software and liberating proprietary software.

FSF really should make themselves heard in some entirely different way and try not to look so much like bitter lunatics.


The FSF is not about people or about being heard , it's about making Free Software , liberating and buying proprietary software to Free them.

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RE: Comment by Moulinneuf
by rockwell on Thu 27th Aug 2009 03:49 in reply to "Comment by Moulinneuf"
rockwell Member since:
2005-09-13

Thing is, most freetards actually seriously believe that proprietary software, is, somehow "bad" and free software is "good."

With insane people like that, there's just no point in having a conversation about it.

Edited 2009-08-27 03:49 UTC

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RE: Agreed
by kaiwai on Thu 27th Aug 2009 11:49 in reply to "Agreed"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

The Free software world has enough to offer, but it always seems like the only time you ever really hear about the FSF is when they're busy badmouthing someone or something else. This doesn't leave a good impression with people.

They've been doing that for years and it still hasn't made much of a difference. Badmouthing others always, ALWAYS, leaves also a negative image of you and just doesn't make you look credible.

FSF really should make themselves heard in some entirely different way and try not to look so much like bitter lunatics.


What I find also funny is how they bad mouth Windows 7 and they put nothing up as an alternative for the end user to run instead of Windows. Linux - when are we going to see easy to use applications from the open source world that aren't written by people who abuse users who provide constructive feedback? When are we going to see the same level of hardware support as Windows - webcams that conform to UVC standards but the UVC implemented in Linux is only 1/3 complete. Then there is the issue of binary drivers where compatibility is broken with each release of the kernel.

Personally, I'm all for a good debate but I hate those who bad mouth someone or something and provide nothing in the way of a viable alternative. Its like the politician who bad mouths the government but never provides an alternative set of policies - "I respect what you're trying to achieve, however, here is a superior set of policies that would achieve the same outcomes but at a lower cost......".

Maybe when the FSF provides a comparable product to Windows (or Mac OS X) with the same level of easy to use applications and equal hardware support - then maybe they can say, "Windows is ethically flawed and here is our alternative - it does everything Windows does but without infringing on your rights". If they did that, then I would have a heck of a lot of respect for them - heck, I'd make a sizable donation for sticking to the high ground and being constructive instead of destructive in their advocacy.

Edited 2009-08-27 11:54 UTC

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RE[2]: Agreed
by Moulinneuf on Thu 27th Aug 2009 13:10 in reply to "RE: Agreed"
Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

When are we going to see the same level of hardware support as Windows


You want GNU/Linux to stop supporting legacy hardware and 50% of the known existing hardware to be like Windows ? ... Wait for the hardware OEM/ODM maker to make the driver ?

webcams that conform to UVC standards


That one is so laughable. Sugesting all Webcam that conform to it and you calling it a standard ...

the UVC implemented in Linux is only 1/3 complete.


http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/

8 out of 15 ... That's more then half , and the rest is not some not really needed proprietary crap by any chance ? That have other alternative ?

http://mxhaard.free.fr/

"At the moment, manufacturers of usb bridge and camera sensor did not help us."

Then there is the issue of binary drivers where compatibility is broken with each release of the kernel.


That's the problem of the binary maker ...

I'm all for a good debate


You ? No ... ref your comment history.

I'd make a sizable donation


Lol ...

that aren't written by people who abuse users who provide constructive feedback?


Someone else had enough of your nonsense ? Got a link to your constructive feedback so I can laugh at you there too ?

What in/sane developer would hop on a plane , go to New-Zealand , just for the privilege of abusing poor kaiwai ? Got any pics or video ?

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Not so fast...!
by jimmy1971 on Thu 27th Aug 2009 20:30 in reply to "Agreed"
jimmy1971 Member since:
2009-08-27

The anti-Windows site is only one part of the FSF's overall strategy.

They have also made themselves heard in a variety of other ways, the most important of which has been in leading by example (ie. creating the GNU software that comprises much of the Linux-based systems).

There's much to dislike about Windows and how Microsoft conducts its business. So what if the FSF feels strongly enough about it to set up a website?

The average computer user doesn't question the products they use, whether it's an operating system or the sneakers on their feet. If the FSF makes anyone start asking these questions, they've made a positive contributin.

(I'm writing this as a FreeBSD guy, so no, I'm not a "GPL zealot" by any means.)

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RE: Agreed
by ElectricDevil on Thu 27th Aug 2009 22:35 in reply to "Agreed"
ElectricDevil Member since:
2006-08-22

FSF really should make themselves heard in some entirely different way and try not to look so much like bitter lunatics.


Or they should make themselves Hurd.(period)

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