Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 1st Sep 2009 15:31 UTC, submitted by KLU9
Opera Software After a long gestation period, Opera has released version 10 of their browser, which comes packed with a whole lot of improvements and new features. It's got a completely new interface, a turbo mode for those days of bandwith drought, automatic updates (finally!), and lots more.
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Just more of a good thing.
by deathshadow on Tue 1st Sep 2009 19:14 UTC
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I've been using Opera 10 since alpha - as my primary browser on my desktop since for me it was more stable than FF, I didn't have to run around like a chicken with my head cut off looking for plugins to bring it up to what I've come to expect as BASIC FUNCTIONALITY since Opera 8.5. (flip navigation, favicon only bookmarks on any toolbar, tab trash can, custom buttons, session saving, auto-refresh, etc, etc).

It's funny though because I've seen retards out there citing it for stability issues (the ALPHA is more stable for me than any version of FF ever released) or calling it 'bloated'... Bloated would be a 7.7 megabyte download WITHOUT any of the features built in like FF 3.5 - Opera adds a mail client, bittorrent client, speed dial, flip navigation, mouse gestures, in-built spell checking (no longer need GNU ASpell to function), a full featured website/filesharing tie-in module (Opera United) all for 6.6 megs.

I have also rarely seen a browser maker actually LISTEN to it's userbase as much as Opera actually does. Not all users are going to agree on things, but they do listen - expanding Speed dial to more pages was much requested, so they did it. With the beta they introduced thumbnails in tabs, but it didn't work in portrait mode where many of us thought they'd work better - so they implemented that AND finally allow the user to resize the taskbar in portrait - though they still have a max-width implemented ;) Running the tabs in portrait mode lets you make actual use of all that extra screen real-estate we have on widescreens... When most websites are designed to max-out their width at 1024, it's nice to be able to do something with the extra 896 pixels of my primary displays on the desktop. Likewise on my 1024x600 netbook it's nice to use a few pixels as a sidebar giving me all 600px in height available even if it does narrow the browser width to the 800 mark. On my netbook I have my Win7 taskbar on the left, and tabs on the right making as much space top to bottom available as possible. Other browsers don't even give you the OPTION of moving where the tabs appear.

Running down the new features:
Opera Turbo - cute, and I know a number of people on METERED connections who are praising the Nine for this addition. Sure it makes images look like ass, but if you are still in area's where dialup is the only choice (plenty of that still around!!! Northern NH, western ME, the Dakota's) or your high speed connection gets throttled for bandwidth use (down in Oz for example) this technology is a godsend.

Web Integration - Not a big deal IMHO, oh look it can now link to webmail and send feeds to the mail reader... Not blowing my skirt up, but some people may find it useful.

New Visual Tabs - those thumbnails I was mentioning. They talk about dragging the size to show thumbs when it's on top, but really you folks should try it in portrait mode which is where it really shines.

Resizeable search field - means nothing to me, I usually delete the search field because I can remember to type the letter g for google before typing in my search phrase in the address bar. (or e for ebay, y for yahoo, z for amazon, w for wikipedia, etc, etc) and know that I can add/remove/change those under tools > preferences > search

Speed Dial can now go up to a 5x5 grid. I'm running the 5x4 because it looks best on my 1920x1200 widescreen.

Faster Engine and Web Standards - When are browser makers NOT bragging about faster engines and better standards support. Oh yeah, IE. My bad. At least Presto and Webkit give us decent testing platforms to see what we might someday in the future actually be able to deploy on websites... I'm figuring sometime around 2010 IE will catch up and we can deploy things like SVG and Web fonts.

Inline Spell Checker - To my knowledge Opera has had this built in since version 8, the problem was you had to install GNU ASpell separately to enable it. I imagine making it use HunSpell didn't take too much work given they already had the mechanisims and dialogs in place, it was just a matter of making it look elsewhere for the dictionary.

Auto Update - They finally seem to have joined the rest of the crowd when it comes to not having to download the entire thing just to run an update, making it a lot smoother/faster a process - and at least unlike Google and Safari it will still ask you first.

E-Mail The additions of RTF, HTML and other mails brings M3 (the inbuilt mail cleint) up to the competitions level of functionality - suprising since the distro didn't even grow in size significantly and is STILL one of the smallest browser downloads around. (Laugh at Google and Apple hiding the actual download size behind their 120k .exe download managers)

Automated Crash Reporting - I've not had Opera crash EVER on windows, and the handful of times it crashed on linsux the sessions system let me pretty much pick up where I left off. Still, crashes do occure and having it auto-report when it happens will let them fix it quicker. Sure beats the crap out of the train wreck that is bugzilla.

Dragonfly - The new O10 dragonfly brings it up to firebug in functionality for the most part, though it exceeds it in a few areas. During web development I actually use both as the two compliment each-other filling missing gaps.

It really is my browser of choice, it's lean, fast, HIGHLY customizable and has more features built in than any other browser - it makes Firefox look like a buggy unstable bloated mess, makes Safari and Chrome look like tinkertoys, and, well, they all make IE look like trash.

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RE: Just more of a good thing.
by cycoj on Wed 2nd Sep 2009 05:51 in reply to "Just more of a good thing."
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How do you enable the thumbnails for portrait mode? I can only see them when hovering over them with my mouse, which does not really help. Nothing like when the tabs are at the top and just resizing will make the thumbs show up.

About Opera, I've started using it because I was simply fed up with the way firefox is treating linux. They give the impression of treating linux as a second class citizen. Currently most annoying is the that it's slow, I've constant 0.5 second lockups which seem to be related to me using a proxy.

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deathshadow Member since:

How do you enable the thumbnails for portrait mode? I can only see them when hovering over them with my mouse, which does not really help. Nothing like when the tabs are at the top and just resizing will make the thumbs show up.

Right click > customize > enable thumbnails in tabs

Not as intuitive as the 'drag-down' it has when tabs are on top, but functional enough.

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RE: Just more of a good thing.
by adkilla on Wed 2nd Sep 2009 17:25 in reply to "Just more of a good thing."
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Nice gimmicks. Where are the more useful features:
- Where is auto-complete and form history?
- Why no multi-touch gesture support on OSX?

I see people pissing on FF all the time, but FF is the most complete and extensible browser known to man!


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deathshadow Member since:

Where is auto-complete and form history?

It's called the Wand, Opera has had that since version 7 (that I'm aware of) so what, 2003? Pretty much before Firefox was even a twinkle in a FLOSS fanboy's eye.

Why no multi-touch gesture support on OSX?

Because Opera had more than enough normal mouse gestures, had them first, and sees no reason to waste time implementing it for the 0.000001% of systems that might actually support that?

I see people pissing on FF all the time
I see people pissing on ALL the browsers all the time - From vague meaningless 'dislike' for Opera's appearance (which honestly doesn't look all that different than FF or IE to me - and if you don't like it, change it), to IE's being absurdly insecure and lack of standards compliance, to Firefox being a buggy bloated mess, to webkit pushing the envelope so hard on the renderer it's like nobody is bothering to concentrate on the user interface which has all the functionality of IE 3.0 (and no, that's not a compliment)

but FF is the most complete

Not out of box it isn't. It's probably one of the most incomplete out of box from the buggy next to useless download manager (which seems to be the leading cause of lockups when I do use it) - hell, even IE does more out of box.

and extensible browser known to man!

No more extensible than IE. Yes, you heard me right!!! There is ZERO difference from a functionality standpoint between what activeX controls are able to do on IE and what extensions can do in FF. The difference is the approval and installation process for them.

Not to actually defend IE, but the rabid fanboyism with people making wild claims about Firefox's 'unique' or 'superior' capabilities that have NOTHING to do with fact gets a wee bit annoying after a while. It's the media darling, that doesn't necessarily make it any damned good.

Edited 2009-09-03 00:53 UTC

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