Opera 10 Released
Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 1st Sep 2009 15:31 UTC, submitted by KLU9
Opera Software After a long gestation period, Opera has released version 10 of their browser, which comes packed with a whole lot of improvements and new features. It's got a completely new interface, a turbo mode for those days of bandwith drought, automatic updates (finally!), and lots more.
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deathshadow
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2005-07-12

The wand is a piece of trash compared to FF and even Chrome's auto-complete and form history functionality. The only the Wand is good for is auto-completing login and passwords, nothing else.

So you've never used it's "personal" features, or the ability to plug in data from 'notes'.

Do you have any data to backup that "0.000001% of systems" claim of yours? All notebooks/laptops shipped by Apple since last year have this capability. If Opera is going to do a sloppy job of supporting OSX, they might as well not develop for it all.

Oh yeah, good attitude there. If you think it's that important, go to opera's forums and put it in as a feature request - you might be suprised how quickly it will be implemented... Though I was unaware apple even had working multitouch (given I usually disable the trackpad and use a REAL tracking device this isn't suprising)...

Your comment here reeks of utter fanboyism. You are (like any other anti-FF fanboy) a good example of pissing on FF, when the browser you defend is not as extensible

Actually, I do take them to task for that - BUT, it does so much more out of the box I don't NEED extensions to it. Greasemonkey? Built in. Firebug? Built in. Flip navigation and gestures? Built in.

and standards compliant.

Ok, right there you showed you don't even know what you are talking about. Firefox is NOT more standards compliant than Opera - while on paper it has more things IMPLEMENTED that does not mean any of them are implemented PROPERLY. There are still gaping holes in it's HTML4 and CSS2 implementations (see bugzilla 915 to see just how far back these gaps date - try a decade!) which is why their adding CSS3/HTML5 shit before they even have HTML4/CSS2 done correctly pisses me off.

Also Opera has a raft of stupendous functionality rolled in, but little to no extensibility for features that people really find useful.

Such as?

Speed dial? Ever heard of bookmarks? Yeah it does the same thing.

Can you launch bookmarks with a single keystroke? Can you at a glance tell the various pages apart or do you have to read through your list to find it?

If you think Opera is more stabler than FF, then you are yet to use most of its functionality.

Ok, can anyone translate that into english for me?

FYI FF does a better job supporting proxy servers than Opera ever has. How about that for basic functionality?

Really? Hmm... Tools > preferences > network > proxy servers. Doesn't look any different... doesn't seem to work any differently from FF - just exactly what are you on about?!? Let's see in FF that's tools > options > advanced > network > Connection | Settings - yeah, pretty much the same options... Opera has a box to select HTTP 1.1 for proxy, FF has options to select Socksv4 or v5 (Opera auto-detects)

Never had a problem with proxies in O - I'd be interested to hear you explain just what you meant by 'better support'.

I've never had any issues with the built-in download manager, not sure what you are doing wrong.

Starts downloads without so much as a by your leave, when you turn that off it loses said setting every time they run an update, and it seems to have been the core of the majority of my crashing/memory problems with FF since 0.89. That it's buggy as hell AND they route even stupid **** like saving images on a page you are currently viewing through it just excaserbates the problem until once again I end up hitting that wonderful 100% cpu forcing me to kill it's process...

What does IE do more out of the box? Just saying so is pretty, you know, meaningless.

Well with IE8 we now have javascript debugging tools, a developer tools system similar to Dragonfly/Firebug, a malware website blocker and quick links to security flushes under the 'safety' menu, 'accellerators' giving you ways to send your currently viewed page through services like language translation, ability to reload last browsing session, webslices being the equivalent of the 'live bookmarks' FF plugin, and don't forget the research panel.

If you think that Opera is without bugs, try using it with a HTTP 1.1 compliant proxy through auto-proxy configuration, you might change your mind instantly.
I tick the box that says 'use http 1.1', it works... Your problem is what exactly?

You mean, you can install themes into IE to completely change its UI into anything you want?

While you cannot outright skin it (which is where Opera and FF both shine compared to other browsers) you can add new toolbars, change the functionality of any existing buttons, re-arrange the placement of most any control. Those pesky toolbars are just the tip of the iceberg on what ActiveX can do on IE. From an under the hood standpoint there is little if any difference.

It is that extensible!? Please do share, I am dying to know this info. If you could also direct me to mere ActiveX controls that could do that for IE, that would do great too.

Well, I don't use IE all that much apart from code testing, but off the top of my head there's Trixie, which is the IE equivalent to greasemonkey. There are activeX controls to add the ability to view file formats not normally supported - the flash plugin on IE is an activeX control. There are download magagers like Enterra, transfer managers (up and down) like Catalyst FTC, popup and ad killers like "Power IE", and some even work in BOTH IE and FF - Many FF extensions will in fact have activeX equivalents from the same person - like iMacros and Zemanta.

By the way, the media loves it because it is actually that damned good. Just ask any webmaster!

As a web developer I think you'll find mixed reviews on that, most of the 'webmasters' promoting FF so zealously doing so out of ignorance. It still has gaping holes in it's HTML/CSS implementations, still is doped to the gills with netscape-isms that cause rendering errors, still ignores the system metric on default fonts, and worst of all refuses to do math the same as anyone else resulting in multiple height declarations in anything other than px. It's still entirely possible to declare three elements one atop the other as 1em tall next to a 3em tall box, and have them NOT be the same height - just because the font-size doesn't divide evenly into pixels (an affliction every other engine seems to avoid), it plays random games with line-height meaning you pretty much need to explicitly declare it any time you change font-size, omitting top or bottom on an absolute element can result in completely misplacement, and don't even get me started over how "background-position:center" is calculated using different math than margin:0 auto; resulting in a 1px 'jog' - or how position:absolute; right:0; will often be short 1 pixel of where it should be if the parent element you are positioning off of...

...and to think people bitch about IE's 3px jog, at least that **** can be fixed with a valid doctype and haslayout.

Edited 2009-09-03 21:05 UTC

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Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

How about Opera not supporting position: absolute correctly on CSS generated content (and just spasming it over the page when you scroll), or balking at line-breaks in CSS selectors (which other browsers handle fine), or its second-rate JavaScript engine.

All browsers have bugs, so don’t point a finger at Gecko when Opera’s engine has plagued web-developers with equally inane problems for years. Opera’s marketshare is so low that developers can’t be bothered to debug for it, Google included (GMail/Opera debacle)

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