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OSNews, Generic OSes This was a bit of a weird week for OSNews. Monday and Tuesday I was unable to reach OSNews and its related domains from home; we still don't know why, but the end result was that I could not work on OSNews, meaning very few items. For the rest, it was a very quiet and relaxed week, with little going on.
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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by ba1l on Mon 7th Sep 2009 14:57 UTC in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
ba1l
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2007-09-08

I wouldn't get concerned about MySQL. It'll be simply known as 'Oracle training wheels edition' where any new feature requests will be answered with a "we suggest you upgrade to Oracle" and only bug fixes will be focused on. It'll be used as a step ladder to get people into more expensive services so that the entry price into the Oracle eco system is low and over time they'll eventually push you up into more expensive products and services.


Unfortunately, I suspect that you might be right. After all, neither BerkleyDB nor InnoDB have been significantly updated by Oracle since they bought them.

Which is a shame, because the set of applications where MySQL is appropriate does not overlap at all with the set of applications that actually need Oracle, and you wouldn't want to use Oracle unless you actually needed it.

Oh well. It's not like there are no alternatives. PostgreSQL or Firebird, for example. Or Sqlite on the really low end (embedded applications). Or one of the inevitable forks that will occur should Oracle cease development of MySQL. Even something like HBase or HyperTable, if it's appropriate.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by strcpy on Mon 7th Sep 2009 15:07 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
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2009-05-20


Oh well. It's not like there are no alternatives. PostgreSQL or Firebird, for example. Or Sqlite on the really low end (embedded applications). Or one of the inevitable forks that will occur should Oracle cease development of MySQL. Even something like HBase or HyperTable, if it's appropriate.


There has always been alternatives.

My understanding of the issue is that the value of MySQL has always centered around the brand rather than around any technical merits. And as a good brand, it is indeed an ideal product for those stepping stones kaiwai mentioned.

But OpenSolaris interests me more.

Imagine OpenSolaris + OpenOffice + Oracle backend for all your collaboration requirements. It would put Oracle in a powerful position when offering a solution to businesses; especially those who want an out of the box solution with minimum fuss and bother.


Not that I use OpenOffice or Oracle, but I wouldn't mind a solid open source offering instead of the one alternative to which the word "solid" never quite seems to fit.

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RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Mon 7th Sep 2009 20:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

There has always been alternatives.

My understanding of the issue is that the value of MySQL has always centered around the brand rather than around any technical merits. And as a good brand, it is indeed an ideal product for those stepping stones kaiwai mentioned.

But OpenSolaris interests me more.


Reminds me of a discussion with a friend where he raised that issue; MySQL on paper when compared to other free alternatives either comes off equal or inferior. Its only saving grace has come from the LAMP being pushed left, right and centre; MySQL being heavily marketed by the main players in the Linux market and heavily pushed as the backend to many forums.

Not that I use OpenOffice or Oracle, but I wouldn't mind a solid open source offering instead of the one alternative to which the word "solid" never quite seems to fit.


The problem in the open source world is that there isn't a company yet who can bring an integrated desktop/server strategy that integrates the client into the server via way which Microsoft does. Take Office and Sharepoint; there are projects that already do exactly that but why hasn't someone bought the projects together in one cohesive package for end user consumption?

Edited 2009-09-07 20:58 UTC

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