Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Sep 2009 22:38 UTC, submitted by EvilWells
Debian and its clones Developer Frans Pop, author of debtree, posted an article showing the evolution in size of the GNOME desktop environment in recent Debian releases. The picture he paints isn't particularly pretty: the default GNOME install has increased drastically in size over the years.
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And It Is All 'Bout Choice
by Remiks on Tue 8th Sep 2009 02:32 UTC
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2009-08-25

Well, these days we have a handful of DE's and WM's to choose from. I believe GNOME and KDE are trying hard to fulfill their goals of user-friendliness, so, if one thinks that all that is just bloat... well, use another desktop. I've read about many power users who prefer using FluxBox, IceWM or the likes, so why don't stick to that and let GNOME and KDE be the great things they are for the rest.
I feel it's kinda selfish to want something to be different just because you don't like it, when you have so many choices to please your likings.

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RE: And It Is All 'Bout Choice
by strcpy on Tue 8th Sep 2009 05:15 in reply to "And It Is All 'Bout Choice"
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2009-05-20

Good and reasonable. No one can object an argument like that.

But you seem to ignore the big trend towards a situation where one can administer the system only from badly designed GUIs, which mostly require the whole Gnome to function at all. Actually, in some respects the system and X actually requires these desktop environments to function properly. NetworkManager, DeviceKit, HAL... Make your pick.

I repeat myself, but the so-called "user friendliness" is a Trojan horse that is doing havoc all over the place, regardless whether you prefer TWM instead.

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marafaka Member since:
2006-01-03

+3

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Remiks Member since:
2009-08-25

@strcpy:
Mmmm... I do not (repeat: do not) consider myself a power user. I use Linux Mint, and many people here can say that is one of the easiest distros around... But, well, I prefer the command line to configure it than the GUI tools provided with it. There's mintupdate, mint* (put whatever other name you like) to manage almost anything a basic user can ask for, but I, not a power user, feel more comfortable in the command line.
What I'm trying to say is, perhaps many distros try to put a lot of GUI tools to configure the behavior of the OS, but we always can resort to the command line to manage anything... And see everything working as it should... (well, at least I haven't broken my system in a very long time ;) ...)
Of course... HAL is something beyond my reasoning... But it really does simplify my life (I remember a time when I tried FreeBSD 4.x, and you actually had to manually add the device nodes in order to get some HW stuff working... correct me if I'm wrong, but HAL is the thing that gets rid of that annoyance for me, isn't it)

Edited 2009-09-08 20:11 UTC

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RE: And It Is All 'Bout Choice
by l3v1 on Tue 8th Sep 2009 13:55 in reply to "And It Is All 'Bout Choice"
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2005-07-06

I feel it's kinda selfish to want something to be different just because you don't like it


Well, if certain devs didn't have that type of selfishness, we wouldn't have that many options to choose from, or would we.

edit: typo

Edited 2009-09-08 13:56 UTC

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Remiks Member since:
2009-08-25

@l3v1
You've got that right. But, following that trend, wouldn't it be easier for him to start a new project of his own?
Of course, it's easy for me to say that not being a developer... But I stick to my point: everything is a matter of taste...

Edited 2009-09-08 20:04 UTC

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