Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Sep 2009 23:27 UTC
Legal Late last week, we discussed the Apple vs. Psystar case (again), and in that article several points were raised which would be handled during a hearing Friday morning. Right after publishing said article, the law firm working for Psystar sent a general email to members of the press (including Groklaw and OSNews, among others) which contained the court order which resulted from this hearing. So to finalise these issues, let's walk through them so we can put the lid on this case for a while.
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RE[4]: Comment by JayDee
by memson on Tue 8th Sep 2009 11:10 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by JayDee"
memson
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2006-01-01

Except my MacBook (late 2008 "Santa Rosa") feels faster than my work laptop, a Dell Lat D830, purchased in the same timeframe. The Dell has better graphics hardware (NVidia based) and more memory (2GB as opposed to 1GB om my MacBook - must get round to upgrading that.. lol)

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RE[5]: Comment by JayDee
by rajan r on Tue 8th Sep 2009 14:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by JayDee"
rajan r Member since:
2005-07-27

I wonder what's the main difference between your Dell and your Mac... something must explain the difference in speed and resource requirement... something like.. Oh, the operating system?

And that's precisely the point. Apple will find it hard to compete against Dell (or Sony or Lenovo or ...) if they had the same operating system as Apple.

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RE[6]: Comment by JayDee
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 8th Sep 2009 14:28 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by JayDee"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

And that's precisely the point. Apple will find it hard to compete against Dell (or Sony or Lenovo or ...) if they had the same operating system as Apple.


So you're saying that there is no value a Mac has over a Dell, other than the operating system?

Okiedook.

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RE[5]: Comment by JayDee
by DrDankenstein on Tue 8th Sep 2009 21:35 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by JayDee"
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2009-09-07

Except my MacBook (late 2008 "Santa Rosa") feels faster than my work laptop, a Dell Lat D830, purchased in the same timeframe. The Dell has better graphics hardware (NVidia based) and more memory (2GB as opposed to 1GB om my MacBook - must get round to upgrading that.. lol)


i guess the bigger idea here is that apple is charging alot for a little, which is acceptable in business. In my shop we build Athlon II 2.9s with 2 gigs of ram, dvd burner and 250 sata hd. we charge xxx something for them, and they work great! dell on the other hand has the same system at a xxx something price point. why do we charge as much as we do?

support: you know how many times people will call you because AOL stopped working?

warranty: not everything goes as planned.

cost: we pay a price for theses parts, and we refuse to just break even after selling it, our techs are not in india where the pennies on the dollar mark up is more successful.

Dell may have the upper hand when buying units of 1000's plus, but our local customers have LOCAL support and LOCAL depot repair.

How this relates to the above coment by JayDee

I think if i were apple id be happy. its a successful business plan, and it works for them. Charging the same as dell for similar hard ware is only going to:

Make apple's dev costs skyrocket to insure hardware releases and refreshes because of new hardware kexts drivers, and of course buying new gear and marketing the shit every month. it would also end up being a support disaster: as new hardware is released, different service releases of leopard would have to be pressed every time a new IDE / SATA controller entered the ecosystem.

Why can dell do this?

Dell has the support of manufacturers behind them, while they use Windows (much as it sucks) they virtually pay nothing in development costs for drivers and OS releases, they just get the tax from uncle bill ever so often.

Support? yeah good luck, dell has always been a pain in the ass. With apple its not bad. and they will warranty apple care nicely. its worth it.

I guess the real question is, is what apple selling really worth what we pay for it?

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RE[6]: Comment by JayDee
by haus on Tue 8th Sep 2009 22:38 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by JayDee"
haus Member since:
2009-08-18

"i guess the bigger idea here is that apple is charging alot for a little, which is acceptable in business."

That may be true if you're pricing JUST the hard drive, processor, ram and graphics card and optical drive. But Apple includes a lot more. When price comparisons are made equally in all areas of hardware, equal bundled software and equal operating system the Mac typically is less. A PC has greater options to choose from. Because of that strength on the PC side, the needs to meet the limited configuration options on the mac to make a fair comparison. When that's done, the Mac is a HUGH bargain. Unfortunately, it also means you may be buying hardware that you don't need. That means that the PC is more flexible but the Mac is less expensive.



Support? yeah good luck, dell has always been a pain in the ass. With apple its not bad.

I've owned several PCs and several Macs. And the support options from PCs are typically marginal at best. The strength of the PC is in the fact you can get it repaired almost anywhere. Apple support is really good. Often times fantastic. Unfortunately you have to mail it out for service if something goes wrong. At least they pay for next day delivery.



"I guess the real question is, is what apple selling really worth what we pay for it?"

Considering the fact that Apple gear is typically regarded as high-end and because a PC with equal parts in hardware software and OS is typically equal at best or more at worst... I'd say that Apple gear is very much worth what you pay for it.

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