Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Sep 2009 22:38 UTC, submitted by EvilWells
Debian and its clones Developer Frans Pop, author of debtree, posted an article showing the evolution in size of the GNOME desktop environment in recent Debian releases. The picture he paints isn't particularly pretty: the default GNOME install has increased drastically in size over the years.
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RE: Get off my lawn!
by marafaka on Tue 8th Sep 2009 11:14 UTC in reply to "Get off my lawn!"
marafaka
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2006-01-03

"I want my desktop to look nice. It seems to be a general consensus among desktop users if current trends are any indication."

That's because you are not a professional who's primary focus is finishing his job. And because you probably never saw an expert's workstation and deduce conclusions from flashing your weeny with your best friends. There's simply no other explanation for your attitude.

On the other hand, the state of modern computing *is* embarrassing; not because of lack of flashiness but because of the chaotic state of the industry.

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RE[2]: Get off my lawn!
by BluenoseJake on Tue 8th Sep 2009 15:05 in reply to "RE: Get off my lawn!"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

It's not about looking nice, it's about things working when plug them in, which HAL helps with. It is about automation. I don't want to have to worry about crap not working unless i write a script, or configure something.

If I plug in a printer, I want the damn thing to be able to print. If I plug in a USB drive, I don't want to have to mount the thing myself, I want it automounted.

I am a professional, and I don't have time to be screwing around with scripts and the command line to get basic functionality.

Maybe your time isn't worth very much, but my time is. I'd rather spend it working.

Edited 2009-09-08 15:06 UTC

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RE[3]: Get off my lawn!
by vivainio on Tue 8th Sep 2009 15:18 in reply to "RE[2]: Get off my lawn!"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

It's not about looking nice, it's about things working when plug them in, which HAL helps with. It is about automation. I don't want to have to worry about crap not working unless i write a script, or configure something.

Right. I find it weird that people here are lumping essentials like udev to "unnecessary bloat".

Also, people forget that "fat" depedencies reduce other kind of bloat, the kind caused by duplication of functionality (which leads to buggy code). The disk space bloat is harmless, in that none of the superfluous applications are running unless you launch them (unlike the bloat caused by, say, Akonadi launching mysql server on boot).

I believe what we have here is making lots of noise of a non-problem. It's Linux, you can strip it down as much as you want.

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RE[3]: Get off my lawn!
by marcp on Tue 8th Sep 2009 20:37 in reply to "RE[2]: Get off my lawn!"
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2007-11-23

Unfortunately, you'd rather spend your time on FIXING the problems cause by an automation, which is far more complicated, than the hand-driven OS. People like you used to act like they don't care what's under mask. IF so, then just use Mac and don't say that "everything needs to be auto". You can also use Ubuntu and waste your time on fixing auto crap.

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RE[3]: Get off my lawn!
by marafaka on Wed 9th Sep 2009 06:29 in reply to "RE[2]: Get off my lawn!"
marafaka Member since:
2006-01-03

"I am a professional, and I don't have time to be screwing around with scripts and the command line to get basic functionality."

How do you know what and if it needs to be scripted unles you're doing it? And what kind of profesional wants to wait for his flashy windows to their stuf and then drag them around with a mousey and click on candy-like buttons? Or you are a hard core professional and have it all black?

The idea of a GUI is laughable. It's not a natural way to communicate with the machine but a greased copy of an ancient trick taken out of context. I do not use GUIs or try to avoid them for the reasons you mentioned and others.

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RE[2]: Get off my lawn!
by apoclypse on Tue 8th Sep 2009 15:22 in reply to "RE: Get off my lawn!"
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

"I want my desktop to look nice. It seems to be a general consensus among desktop users if current trends are any indication."

That's because you are not a professional who's primary focus is finishing his job. And because you probably never saw an expert's workstation and deduce conclusions from flashing your weeny with your best friends. There's simply no other explanation for your attitude.

On the other hand, the state of modern computing *is* embarrassing; not because of lack of flashiness but because of the chaotic state of the industry.



Funny you say thta because I happen to be a professional audio engineer and graphic designer who, you know, actually makes money doing what I do.

But you know us artistic folks we do nothing but waste time on little things like usability and ease of use and having things actually look and sound nice. In-fact those who actually use other OSes where these things are important seem to do more work. No one here is going to argue against that there are more working professionals using OSX and Windows than Linux.

Its human nature, people want nice things, its make them feel better. Case in point. I've owned a copy of Logic since version 6 but didn't really start to use it until version 8. Why? The UI sucked, it was a mess, it made no sense and it looked like pure ass. 8 changed that, the UI is nice to look at now and the functionality has been revamped to coincide with the new look. 9 has taken it even further.

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RE[3]: Get off my lawn!
by marafaka on Wed 9th Sep 2009 06:43 in reply to "RE[2]: Get off my lawn!"
marafaka Member since:
2006-01-03

Nice to know man. I was a professional graphics programmer and made MIDI gear out of amigas back in the 90's. It was easy, not because of a GUI, but because every aspect of that machine was thoroughly documented and the OS consistently crafted by a single jolly team.

You do not consider one mouse + display to be an audio equipment? It has nothing to do with making music, maybe you use it to kickstart your fancy virtual studio but you need a real gear from there on. If you do click-make everything than congratulations, you are a prodigy.

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