Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Sep 2009 22:38 UTC, submitted by EvilWells
Debian and its clones Developer Frans Pop, author of debtree, posted an article showing the evolution in size of the GNOME desktop environment in recent Debian releases. The picture he paints isn't particularly pretty: the default GNOME install has increased drastically in size over the years.
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RE[2]: Get off my lawn!
by apoclypse on Tue 8th Sep 2009 15:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Get off my lawn!"
apoclypse
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2007-02-17

"I want my desktop to look nice. It seems to be a general consensus among desktop users if current trends are any indication."

That's because you are not a professional who's primary focus is finishing his job. And because you probably never saw an expert's workstation and deduce conclusions from flashing your weeny with your best friends. There's simply no other explanation for your attitude.

On the other hand, the state of modern computing *is* embarrassing; not because of lack of flashiness but because of the chaotic state of the industry.



Funny you say thta because I happen to be a professional audio engineer and graphic designer who, you know, actually makes money doing what I do.

But you know us artistic folks we do nothing but waste time on little things like usability and ease of use and having things actually look and sound nice. In-fact those who actually use other OSes where these things are important seem to do more work. No one here is going to argue against that there are more working professionals using OSX and Windows than Linux.

Its human nature, people want nice things, its make them feel better. Case in point. I've owned a copy of Logic since version 6 but didn't really start to use it until version 8. Why? The UI sucked, it was a mess, it made no sense and it looked like pure ass. 8 changed that, the UI is nice to look at now and the functionality has been revamped to coincide with the new look. 9 has taken it even further.

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RE[3]: Get off my lawn!
by marafaka on Wed 9th Sep 2009 06:43 in reply to "RE[2]: Get off my lawn!"
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2006-01-03

Nice to know man. I was a professional graphics programmer and made MIDI gear out of amigas back in the 90's. It was easy, not because of a GUI, but because every aspect of that machine was thoroughly documented and the OS consistently crafted by a single jolly team.

You do not consider one mouse + display to be an audio equipment? It has nothing to do with making music, maybe you use it to kickstart your fancy virtual studio but you need a real gear from there on. If you do click-make everything than congratulations, you are a prodigy.

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RE[4]: Get off my lawn!
by apoclypse on Wed 9th Sep 2009 15:52 in reply to "RE[3]: Get off my lawn!"
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

Nice to know man. I was a professional graphics programmer and made MIDI gear out of amigas back in the 90's. It was easy, not because of a GUI, but because every aspect of that machine was thoroughly documented and the OS consistently crafted by a single jolly team.

You do not consider one mouse + display to be an audio equipment? It has nothing to do with making music, maybe you use it to kickstart your fancy virtual studio but you need a real gear from there on. If you do click-make everything than congratulations, you are a prodigy.



Well if you were in 1988 then yeah what you described is how music is made, but that is not the case in 2009. Protools, Logic, Cubase, Live are all graphical programs which in some instances require a mouse and keyboard to manipulate. Kontakt is an extremely popular software sample that requires the use of a mouse, Maschine has an external controller but still requires the use of mouse and a display. I don't know what era of music making you are stuck in but real pros use Protools and Logic, no questions asked, especially for audio engineering and guess what, they happen to be graphical applications. Protools has fancy interfaces and hardware where you can control the UI without a mouse and keyboard some of the time but you really aren't getting much done without them, especially when it comes to editing audio.

Live is extremely popular among djs and is primarily used (gasp) live. It requires mouse and keyboard as well, at least for the setup, in a performance then you can trigger loops using whatever controller you wish. Most just tap a button on their keyboard to trigger loops. DJing almost requires computer now as most djs opt for the convenience of something like Serato or Traktor over plain old vinyl or cdjs. Its rare nowadays to see a dj walk around without a laptop and as part of his gear, and they will be using the mouse nd keyboard throughout their set. Think I'm wrong watch the dj next time you are in a club. he will have a laptop, mybe some turn tables, and audio interface, and possibly asome kind of triggering device (small 25-key keyboard, pad controller) and he will still use the mouse and keyboard throughout his set to load the songs, set queue points, loop, trigger effects, etc. There is no wy around it. The mouse and keyboard is part of musical culture now, as much as the computer itself, its a natural extension of it.

Dude, i can be here all day schooling you on music gear and software. Its what I do. I take what I do seriously and go out of my way to know what the f--k I'm talking about. Like I said I'm a professional. The trend amongst all music related software is flashy good looking interfaces. Does it add functionality, no. Does it make the software feel more professional, yes. I pointed out Logic as an example, even JustBlaze has said that once Logic was revamped it became "logical" to use. I know, I was there at Remix Hotel hearing the words flow from his mouth.

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