Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Sep 2009 22:38 UTC, submitted by EvilWells
Debian and its clones Developer Frans Pop, author of debtree, posted an article showing the evolution in size of the GNOME desktop environment in recent Debian releases. The picture he paints isn't particularly pretty: the default GNOME install has increased drastically in size over the years.
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RE[4]: Get off my lawn!
by BluenoseJake on Tue 8th Sep 2009 20:56 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Get off my lawn!"
BluenoseJake
Member since:
2005-08-11

Unfortunately, you'd rather spend your time on FIXING the problems cause by an automation, which is far more complicated, than the hand-driven OS. People like you used to act like they don't care what's under mask. IF so, then just use Mac and don't say that "everything needs to be auto". You can also use Ubuntu and waste your time on fixing auto crap.


Don't presume to tell me what I like doing, or what OS I use, or what I should use. I prefer to make my own decisions, thank you very much. You don't know me, so just sit down.

I use Debian, because I like control. I do care what is under the mask, but I don't care to messing with the OS when I have work to do.

I use Debian because it is the perfect balance. I don't spend my time fixing anything. I plug in a monitor, it autodetects the display, I don't have time to be editing modlines and xorg.conf. I am fully capable of building my own xorg.conf, but choose not too, because my time is too important

I plug in a USB drive, it detects the drive and automounts it. I am fully capable of mounting drives, but choose not too, because my time is too important

I plug in a printer, it's autodetected and configured. I am capable of setting up a printer, but choose not too, because my time is too important

I don't know where you get this assertion that you have to spend time fixing things due to automation. I don't think I ever have, at least since I switched to Debian. When I use Windows, it's the same thing. I don't spend time fixing issues, I spend time working. I have code to write and servers to run, and it's 2009, not 1998.

This is not a server I'm talking about, it's (say it with me now) A DESKTOP.

When I want lean and simple I use FreeBSD. If it's a server, there is no GUI, regardless whether it's BSD or Debian, I want maximum control. If it's a desktop, I want to get to work, and not have to hobble together with scripts and config files to accomplish what lowly Windows can do since Windows 98.

Edited 2009-09-08 20:57 UTC

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RE[5]: Get off my lawn!
by blacklistme on Sat 12th Sep 2009 18:09 in reply to "RE[4]: Get off my lawn!"
blacklistme Member since:
2007-07-16

I think you the nail here where most here are missing him. Hardware and software are changing and also how we interact with it. A lot of people are not able to look far into the future or even like the future because it gives changes. Changes that force them to learn and to start thinking again.

It makes people uncertain and people who can't adjust a disadvantage. I have seen it the last couple of years with the migration from Solaris 8 to 10. As some sysadmins did not spend time in learning they are missing the edge and the are getting more and more behind everyday. And to be honest, we are leaving them behind.

In the changing Linux world, there also will be casualties. Most likely not real users will be effected, but only the wannabee, the diehard, the one that use Linux or BSD to be c00l and 1337. But like you said multiple of times, it should work and I can't agree more. If people have problems to see how migrations in flight happen, like HAL and udev are for example, then let it be.

I think I'm an old men, who wants things to work without to much overhead. HAL gives some overhead, but it gives more in return. The same for DBUS for example and people who want to know what or why should take a look at GNU/Hurd for example. Or should think about a way to make one implementation that solves directly all there problems. The waterfall-model doesn't work, steady progress does.

Just my 2c and time to do a weekly update of Sqeeuze.

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