Linked by Jordan Spencer Cunningham on Tue 8th Sep 2009 21:21 UTC, submitted by wakeupneo
Microsoft According to a leak from a BestBuy employee, Microsoft is initiating a sort of "Anti-Linux Training" course for the employees, and those who take part in the said training are rewarded with a copy of Windows 7 for only ten dollars. The leaked screenshots of the campaign show Microsoft's comparison of its own system with an obscure "Linux" and how Windows is better in every way including security, "free downloads", and software and hardware compatibility.
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RE[2]: In other news
by drstorm on Tue 8th Sep 2009 23:18 UTC in reply to "RE: In other news"
drstorm
Member since:
2009-04-24

Would you be surprised if this pattern would repeat worldwide?

So what if it does? It's just marketing, people. Besides, although it's probably way overstated, I highly doubt that there is no truth to what they are saying.

If memory serves me, I said it before: FSF should focus on getting their Free software to be Good software instead of trying to get all the software to be Free. (I am not saying it's bad, I'm just saying that it could be better.)

Worrying about a marketing campaign is pointless. Focus on creativity and positive thinking and chill! Sheeesh!

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RE[3]: In other news
by Jokel on Wed 9th Sep 2009 06:23 in reply to "RE[2]: In other news"
Jokel Member since:
2006-06-01

Marketing is one thing...

Giving people at a shop a "training" to outright lie to the customer is another thing in my opinion. To make sure they "understand" what they have to do, those people are given a "present". Sounds like those people are being "bought" by Microsoft - doesn't it?

When pharmaceutic industries are pushing their medicine using your doctor by giving him presents in order to prohibit the us of another (and maybe better) medicine you would be upset. If Micosoft is pushing their product using the sales person at the shop by giving him presents to in order to prohibit the use of another (and maybe better) OS, you say "nah - just marketing".

I think it is essential to keep an eye in the big company's (not only Microsoft) to make sure they keep behaving a little. If Microsoft is using it's (very) big weight, his big financial resources and his monopoly (yes - bigger than 60% market share counts as a monopoly) to crush even a (said) tiny 1% opposition this is certainly worrying. If this company is buying store personal to outright lie to the consumer in order to reach the goal of eradicating even the tiniest opposition on the planet, alarm signs should start ringing..

At the other hand ... it could be I had not enough coffee this morning. That's another possibility. Thankfully that one is solvable.... ;-).

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RE[4]: In other news
by drstorm on Wed 9th Sep 2009 08:45 in reply to "RE[3]: In other news"
drstorm Member since:
2009-04-24

You are right at large, but it's this "outright lies" part that I'm concerned with. Are they really just outright lies?

Also, if FSF had the power to do so, don't you think that they would provide the same kind of "education" about the "Windows 7 Sins"? At least Microsoft is not using that kind of hateful language.

I like the idea of Open software, but I don't like FSF at all. They are in some respects worse than Microsoft. The only difference is that they are not as powerful.

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RE[4]: In other news
by LighthouseJ on Wed 9th Sep 2009 12:40 in reply to "RE[3]: In other news"
LighthouseJ Member since:
2009-06-18

Who said anything about lies?

MS could've picked the most shoddy, but still recent-ish distribution with a linux kernel to contrast with to produce their "results". Aren't we still debating what is "linux"? Is it the kernel, GNU utils, etc... Not trying to start a war, just illustrating the definition isn't quite determined.

Personally, I could find at least one thing on each slide that's not true (that linux *does* do that thing) with linux distributions I know of, but would be true (that linux *does not* do) on others.

Your knee-jerk reactions aside, shouldn't we be directing our reactions to Best Buy who let Microsoft in the whooshing doors? If one thing about MS is correct, is that they will always position themselves for more profit, so this shouldn't be surprising. The one contemptuous thing about MS is the $10 copy of Win7 though, yet they have exorbitant prices. The whole pirating Windows vs. pricey valid copies vs. OEM "Windows tax" on new PC's is a time bomb waiting to go off.

But if you're going to Best Buy to *purchase* Linux, then you're in a bad way anyway and you have bigger troubles to contend with. I guess this campaign is focused towards the narrow sliver of adventurous intermediate computer users that idly ask about Linux at Best Buy? I'll wait for the hidden camera videos about knowledgeable users going in there to debate the clueless Best Buy employees, the more chip-on-their-shoulder on either side, the better.

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RE[4]: In other news
by tomcat on Fri 11th Sep 2009 04:41 in reply to "RE[3]: In other news"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Giving people at a shop a "training" to outright lie to the customer is another thing in my opinion.


Let me get this straight: It's "lying" to point out that Linux distros can't play AAC/MP3s/DVDs? That Linux can't run many/most Windows apps without installing/setting up WINE?

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RE[3]: In other news
by Ford Prefect on Wed 9th Sep 2009 08:00 in reply to "RE[2]: In other news"
Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16

If memory serves me, I said it before: FSF should focus on getting their Free software to be Good software instead of trying to get all the software to be Free.


And how would that exactly help them to reach their goal? Their goal is not market penetration or world domination, their primary goal is just to get as many free software as possible. Any proprietary software doesn't help them, even if it's "theirs".

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RE[4]: In other news
by drstorm on Wed 9th Sep 2009 08:36 in reply to "RE[3]: In other news"
drstorm Member since:
2009-04-24

If that's so, their goal is pointless. Who cares if there are tons of Free software if no one wants to use it.

So again, instead of throwing poo at various people and products they don't like, they should focus on their own back yard.

Most people do not care that Proprietary is "evil". All they care is whether the program gets the job done or not and whether it's easy to use and stable or not.

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RE[3]: In other news
by boldingd on Wed 9th Sep 2009 16:26 in reply to "RE[2]: In other news"
boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

Did I miss the connection to the FSF? How exactly are they relevant to all this?

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

About a week or so ago, the FSF was in the news with windows7sins.org which is an anti-windows marketing website. It's about as distastefully hostile as Microsoft's anti-Linux marketing material. The sad thing is that I agree with the points the FSF is trying to present but the way in which they do it in a purely anti-marketing aproach rather than discussion of there own side's benefits really made me want to distance myself from it. Extremes are not attractive no matter which side they are on.

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