Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th Sep 2009 19:41 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
Oracle and SUN There we are! It took them a while, but Oracle has finally said a few things about the future of Sun's SPARC and Solaris products. Oracle placed an ad in the European edition of The Wall Street Journal listing four plans the company has with SPARC and Solaris.
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RE: Good all around
by d3vi1 on Thu 10th Sep 2009 21:26 UTC in reply to "Good all around"
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2006-01-28

Bold move, but then again it's Larry Ellison were talking about. I hope he ressurects the ROCK SPARC project, that had some real potential. SPARC is such an amazing and open architecture, may it live forever with a new injection of $$$ and hopefully tallented dev's behind it.

The cool thing about SPARC is that it's really fast. I couldn't believe the results of a $5000 Sun T1000 server, just a few weeks ago. And it's entry level that's going to be EOL-ed.
Most of all i am glad to see they will be investing a ton into Solaris, I think oracle could take it further than Sun ever could.

Currently they are investing in two areas in Solaris: Storage and Networking.
If the Solaris storage part (ZFS, Lustre/ZFS and Cluster) get's a few more features it's going to fly by NetApp, EMC and the rest. It's almost a complete solution. Regardless of what anyone thinks about ZFS, it's like comparing Windows XP and Snow Leopard. ZFS just works and it works easier than anything else on the market. Storage administration is fun again thanks to ZFS. Sure, you might be able to do the same things with solutions from other vendors, but they either come at a very high cost or they are less than easy to administer.
While the networking part is also getting some serious love, I'm not sure that it's ever going to be competitive with Cisco or Juniper. Linux or the BSDs still aren't at that level. For easy tasks, they work, but if you need firewall, content inspection, routing and QOS, it starts becoming a head-ache. A free head-ache, but a head-ache nevertheless. I can't imagine Solaris being less of a head-ache. It's probable going to be a bit easier to administer in some aspects, but I don't think a general purpose OS can go there.
Everything in Solaris fortunately just works as expected. Furthermore, it's the only UNIX out there still in development (AIX or HP-UX don't seem to get any love lately), and it's that good that it's actually worth giving up RHEL for it.

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RE[2]: Good all around
by boldingd on Thu 10th Sep 2009 22:42 in reply to "RE: Good all around"
boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

and it's that good that it's actually worth giving up RHEL for it.


That's not really saying much. At all.

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RE[3]: Good all around
by gilboa on Sat 12th Sep 2009 07:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Good all around"
gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

As we're in the business of trolling, I return a favor by saying:
Luckily for RedHat, not many people share your sentiment.

- Gilboa

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RE[2]: Good all around
by bannor99 on Fri 11th Sep 2009 03:54 in reply to "RE: Good all around"
bannor99 Member since:
2005-09-15

There are custom platforms / appliances built around Linux or xBSD that'll do pretty much whatever you want.

Here are but 2 examples:

Untangle Open Source Network Gateway
http://www.untangle.com/home

Vyatta - Routing, BGP, VPN forwarding, virtualizable

http://www.vyatta.com/products/product_comparison.php

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RE[2]: Good all around
by feld on Fri 11th Sep 2009 04:39 in reply to "RE: Good all around"
feld Member since:
2009-09-11

Cisco has new switches running Linux and they're rumored to be doing some routers in the future that are Linux based emulating catOS.

Juniper's routers are based on a customized FreeBSD.

You see, the networking capability of these OSes is already there.

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RE[2]: Good all around
by fithisux on Fri 11th Sep 2009 07:57 in reply to "RE: Good all around"
fithisux Member since:
2006-01-22

I think AIX / HP-UX must EOL'd in favor of Solaris. It is UNIX, it comes with a free desktp version and more importantly there are people who love it and maintain it. AIX/HP-UX are closed as charged.

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RE[2]: Good all around
by vermaden on Fri 11th Sep 2009 09:29 in reply to "RE: Good all around"
vermaden Member since:
2006-11-18

While the networking part is also getting some serious love, I'm not sure that it's ever going to be competitive with Cisco or Juniper. Linux or the BSDs still aren't at that level.


Juniper (and many other vendors) use FreeBSD as a base for their systems and are contributing a lot of code back, check this for example:
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3835746

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RE[2]: Good all around
by Soulbender on Fri 11th Sep 2009 09:51 in reply to "RE: Good all around"
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2005-08-18

For easy tasks, they work, but if you need firewall, content inspection, routing and QOS, it starts becoming a head-ache.


It seems you have not spent much time with Cisco. Easy configuration is not a strong point. Firewalling, routing and QOS is all easier to set up on Linux/BSD than on Cisco. Or at least on OpenBSD, can't say I'm a fan of iptables.
It's also a bonus not having to deal with the awful CLI interface of IOS (it almost makes edlin look user friendly).

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RE[2]: Good all around
by phoenix on Fri 11th Sep 2009 17:42 in reply to "RE: Good all around"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

While the networking part is also getting some serious love, I'm not sure that it's ever going to be competitive with Cisco or Juniper. Linux or the BSDs still aren't at that level.


Note: Juniper routers run a custom version of FreeBSD. ;)

Furthermore, it's the only UNIX out there still in development (AIX or HP-UX don't seem to get any love lately), and it's that good that it's actually worth giving up RHEL for it.


And MacOS X is also certified UNIX, and still under heavy development.

Edited 2009-09-11 17:44 UTC

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RE[2]: Good all around
by tony on Fri 11th Sep 2009 22:29 in reply to "RE: Good all around"
tony Member since:
2005-07-06


While the networking part is also getting some serious love, I'm not sure that it's ever going to be competitive with Cisco or Juniper. Linux or the BSDs still aren't at that level.


From Cisco's giant Nexus 7000 10-Gig switches, Juniper megaswitches, F5's BIG-IP/LTM, to consumer grade wireless access points, I don't know of a single network vendor that uses Solaris (or OpenSolaris) as a base operating system. Cisco, Juniper, F5, all the major networking companies use Linux or FreeBSD (or the other BSDs).

Edited 2009-09-11 22:29 UTC

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