Linked by Jordan Spencer Cunningham on Wed 9th Sep 2009 21:36 UTC, submitted by Moulinneuf
After back and forth rumors about the health of Apple's revered Steve Jobs way back in last year and the beginning of 2009, it turned out that he really did have some health problems: complications with his liver requiring a transplant. It was supposed that he'd return to Apple by the end of June, and now he's finally made his first public appearance since he first took his medical leave of absence earlier this year.
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Is it just tech forums or does everyone think they're an expert on totally unrelated subjects? The truth is you know jack squat about the situation but it seems to make people feel better to criticize celebrities. It's just particularly vile to me when people criticize life and death decisions with absolutely no idea what the circumstances were.
This is just a variation on the fallacy of argument based on authority. Nobody here needs to be an "expert" to understand or have an opinion on the matter.
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This is just a variation on the fallacy of argument based on authority. Nobody here needs to be an "expert" to understand or have an opinion on the matter.
It's not an opinion to say that someone died because of Jobs. It's either true or it isn't. You don't know and I don't know what really happened so it is just a disgusting accusation without a shred of evidence.
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by google_ninja on Fri 11th Sep 2009 21:53
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Member since:2006-02-05
Is it just tech forums or does everyone think they're an expert on totally unrelated subjects? The truth is you know jack squat about the situation but it seems to make people feel better to criticize celebrities. It's just particularly vile to me when people criticize life and death decisions with absolutely no idea what the circumstances were.
Well, I had cancer a few years back, and it didn't kill me. I will not presume to know your background as well as you seem to know mine, but I think I am more qualified then most to give an opinion on the subject.
I am not the guy who desperately needed a liver in Tenessee, and ended up getting bumped down the list because some guy in california was a bit worse off then him. I don't know what he would think, but I can guess.
By "right thing", I mean asking yourself those questions before using your fortune to exploit a flawed system, rather then just thinking about yourself. Again, I do not know what I would have done. I do know if I were jobs, the fate of that other guy would be all I was thinking about right now.
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Well, I had cancer a few years back, and it didn't kill me. I will not presume to know your background as well as you seem to know mine, but I think I am more qualified then most to give an opinion on the subject.
I never claimed to know your background. I don't know where you got that idea from. You are definitely NOT more qualified to give an opinion because you have no specific knowledge of this case.
I am not the guy who desperately needed a liver in Tenessee, and ended up getting bumped down the list because some guy in california was a bit worse off then him.
What if that guy destroyed his liver through drug abuse or alcoholism? Would you still feel the same way? What if that guy got a liver the next day? What if no one died because of Jobs transplant but he would have died without it? How is that ethical? You don't know anything about the situation but still feel you have the right to condemn someone's decision to save their own life. It's sickening.
By "right thing", I mean asking yourself those questions before using your fortune to exploit a flawed system, rather then just thinking about yourself.
You obviously haven't thought this through at all. Using your logic I shouldn't use employer provided insurance because some people don't have it. I dislike the current system as much as anyone does but to give up on yourself just because it isn't fair to everyone isn't noble it's just stupid.
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Unequal access is a problem with the US healthcare system but I don't believe that trying to save your own life by giving yourself the best chances at survival is wrong in any way. It's a natural instinct.
I know what you would have done...exactly the same thing Jobs did. If you're on death's door and someone tells you that there's a liver across the country that could save your life you don't think about it for a second. You hop on a plane and get the transplant. There's really nothing noble about valuing your life less than everyone else's. It's a bogus argument to say that Jobs was unethical for not dying for someone else when it is entirely possible that no one died for him.
Really? It doesn't seem like it. I don't think you have any evidence to back up the idea that Jobs didn't do the right thing.
Is it just tech forums or does everyone think they're an expert on totally unrelated subjects? The truth is you know jack squat about the situation but it seems to make people feel better to criticize celebrities. It's just particularly vile to me when people criticize life and death decisions with absolutely no idea what the circumstances were.