Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 14th Sep 2009 06:04 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives After eight years of hard work, the day has finally arrived. Today, September 14, the Haiku project has released its very first alpha release. With the goal of recreating one of the most beloved operating systems in history, the BeOS, they took on no small task, but it seems as if everything is finally starting to come together. Let's talk about the history of the BeOS, where Haiku comes from, and what the Alpha is like.
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RE[2]: the sole reason
by Vanders on Tue 15th Sep 2009 11:31 UTC in reply to "RE: the sole reason"
Vanders
Member since:
2005-07-06

By the way, Syllable seems to be an interesting operating system to keep an eye on, for similar reasons as Haiku: Small and fast.


Thank you. It should be noted that Haiku have far more developers and contributors than Syllable does, sadly.

I really wish they'd do away with the "thousands of files packed into one massize .zip file" installation method though, and use separate files for each package...


Why? The installation process is transparent to you as a user and if we split the base package up into separate packages, you'd have to install all of them anyway so the same files would end up on disc just as they do now.

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RE[3]: the sole reason
by FealDorf on Tue 15th Sep 2009 13:00 in reply to "RE[2]: the sole reason"
FealDorf Member since:
2008-01-07

I was thinking the same, it's sad that despite greater maturity and usability of Syllable, I'm waiting for Haiku simply because it promises(?) me BeOS experience. I feel that Syllable should try harder to get an Amiga feel (which it's also inspired by). I read in Haiku website that Haiku and Syllable have both almost same motives, unfortunately the can't merge it.

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RE[3]: the sole reason
by Mark Williamson on Tue 15th Sep 2009 14:04 in reply to "RE[2]: the sole reason"
Mark Williamson Member since:
2005-07-06

Hi Vanders,

I'm always glad to see you posting on here - it's really nice to see a real lead developer's opinions.

I'm not sure if this is the appropriate forum in which to ask; I have no wish to troll or to hijack the discussion. But I do wonder what the pros and cons of Syllable are, when compared to Haiku? Particularly from a architectural perspective. Not that I doubt that they exist, just that they're not immediately obvious to me.

I *had* thought that BeOS (and therefore Haiku) was a microkernel but I'm told this is not the case (allegedly it's a hybrid kernel, which in my usage of the terminology is a variant on monolithic since everything still shares the same address space). Syllable is, AFAIK, monolithic too?

If the answers are "for variety" or "for fun" or "because Syllable has more flexibility in development direction", those would all be fair enough. I'm just curious as to what other considerations there are.

I apologise for asking this here; I think it's somewhat relevant to the discussion, though. It's not my intention to question the excellent work you've done on the project. If this is more suitable for the Syllable (or even Haiku) forums, I can take my questions there.

Thanks,
Mark

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RE[4]: the sole reason
by Vanders on Tue 15th Sep 2009 17:28 in reply to "RE[3]: the sole reason"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

I do wonder what the pros and cons of Syllable are, when compared to Haiku?


It's not fair to Haiku to discuss Syllable here, but if you'd like to ask that question on the Syllable forums I'd be more than happy to answer it!

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