Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 17th Sep 2009 18:39 UTC
Internet & Networking The draft of the HTML5 specification has been under discussion for a while now, but despite the fact that it's not yet finished, all major browsers have implemented at least the most important aspects of it - except Microsoft. The company did provide substantive criticism of the specification in early August, but now the company has also endorsed the video and audio tags.
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RE[6]: comply?
by lemur2 on Fri 18th Sep 2009 06:06 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: comply?"
lemur2
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2007-02-17

"I get sick of people trying to pretend that one-company-supplier plugins such as flash or silverlight are in any way an acceptable idea.
I do not like most uses of Flash, and I find most arguments for Flash to be actually for video playing capabilities (i.e. most of Flash on the iPhone arguments). But credit were it is due: Flash is accessible and easy to approach by designers and creators. JavaScript is not. "

I don't care if it is the bees knees ... since it comes from just one company, it is totally unacceptable.

"If you tolerate that, then you will get that one company being in a position to decide what products can, and which cannot, access rich content on the web.

Totally, totally unacceptable."


There is no way that people should let Adobe get to a position where Adobe deciding if they will support flash on a particular product is a make-or-break decision for that product.

The makers of the product are then beholden to Adobe. Adobe can start demanding huge sums from OEMs if the OEM wants flash capability on their product. OEMs being required to pay out huge sums (to anyone, it doesn't matter who to) will increase the price of products.

Everyone loses (except Adobe).

Totally, totally unaccpetable.

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RE[7]: comply?
by elmimmo on Fri 18th Sep 2009 08:02 in reply to "RE[6]: comply?"
elmimmo Member since:
2005-09-17

"Flash is accessible and easy to approach by designers and creators. JavaScript is not.


I don't care if it is the bees knees ... since it comes from just one company, it is totally unacceptable.
"

Unacceptable, so the action to be taken is…?

My argument was not so much of favoring Flash over JavaScript, but to bring in the issue that whereas Adobe has created a wonderful development environment, the rest of the industry has failed in going from file format to accessible tools to create those. Creating SVG, Canvas, DHTML, etc for non-programmers is basically out of the question.

Since the first argument is "unacceptable" I would assume people would demand having decent development tools accessible to artists or where artists and programmers can easily integrate to, of which there are none to the level of Flash.

Flash took off because everyone could create content with it. If the same is not for those preferable formats, they are not going to take off.

Edited 2009-09-18 08:03 UTC

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