Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 18th Sep 2009 18:34 UTC
There are several things which take quite some getting used to when switching from any platform to the Mac. There are things like the universal menubar, the dock, Expose, and many more. One of the things that often leads to confusion for new users is the installation process for applications. Mozilla developer Alexander Limi talks about the problems Mozilla runs into when it comes to Firefox' installation process on the Mac, and a possible solution. Update: A possible solution?
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RE: Comment by sonic2000gr
by polaris20 on Fri 18th Sep 2009 19:37
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So the whole point of this is for the user being able to install applications on the Mac without even understanding the basics of his/her new operating system?
Meaning, we actually condone ignorance and set is as the standard for users? OS X is *dead* easy to learn. Spend a few moments and watch a couple of videos (if you don't wish to actually read instruction - seems most people are unable to comprehend written instructions these days, another sad situation) and you will be good to go.
For gods sake you are not asked to install stuff from FreeBSD ports, just drag a blessed icon. If you are not able or willing to learn this, don't buy a computer. Any kind of computer, that is.
Meaning, we actually condone ignorance and set is as the standard for users? OS X is *dead* easy to learn. Spend a few moments and watch a couple of videos (if you don't wish to actually read instruction - seems most people are unable to comprehend written instructions these days, another sad situation) and you will be good to go.
For gods sake you are not asked to install stuff from FreeBSD ports, just drag a blessed icon. If you are not able or willing to learn this, don't buy a computer. Any kind of computer, that is.
I agree completely. I can't believe app installation on OS X is an issue, seeing as how it's the easiest of the major 3.
RE[2]: Comment by sonic2000gr
by unoengborg on Fri 18th Sep 2009 19:46
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RE[2]: Comment by sonic2000gr
by nt_jerkface on Sat 19th Sep 2009 06:03
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by sigzero on Sat 19th Sep 2009 22:51
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RE: Comment by sonic2000gr
by tyrione on Fri 18th Sep 2009 19:51
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Agreed.
However, this is all just a smoke screen from Mozilla.
The true crux of their complaint resides here:
The final installation flow should look like this:
Start the Firefox download.
When the download is complete, the disk image will mount automatically (if they were using Safari), and the Firefox installer runs.
The install procedure continues similar to how it happens on Windows.
As the last step of the process, the installer lets you set Firefox as the default browser, and start the application immediately. We have seen users forget that they just installed Firefox if you don’t let them start it at the end of the process, and make that the default choice.
In short, they want Firefox to take charge of the Web Experience automagically.
Same as we do on any other platform
by limi on Fri 18th Sep 2009 20:09
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Member since:2009-09-18
That's an unfair assessment of what I wrote. It says "lets", not "will".
We will never just silently set the browser — in fact, we have that as one of our core principles.
What that paragraph means is that we'll give you an option to set your default browser.
As for the sentence you highlighted, that's a different problem — if you don't start the application, some people forget that they downloaded it in the first place.
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by sultanqasim on Fri 18th Sep 2009 20:48
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RE[2]: Comment by sonic2000gr
by Kroc on Sat 19th Sep 2009 06:39
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You’re missing the point. It’s not about YOU, YOUR computer, the way YOU like to do things. You’re a privileged snob, smart enough to know how to drag things to an application directory, stop telling us you know that, WE KNOW TOO.
The article is about regular users who do not know that you have to drag the app out of the disk image and it is hindering Firefox adoption on the Mac.
You would make a bloody awful software developer if all you ever care about is yourself.
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by yvesdandoy on Sun 20th Sep 2009 13:28
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RE: Comment by sonic2000gr
by Jon Dough on Sat 19th Sep 2009 13:08
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So the whole point of this is for the user being able to install applications on the Mac without even understanding the basics of his/her new operating system?
Meaning, we actually condone ignorance and set is as the standard for users?
Meaning, we actually condone ignorance and set is as the standard for users?
Yes, that is the point. For the overwhelming majority of people, a computer is a tool they use to help them accomplish a task. Apple has done an excellent job catering to their needs in trying to make their products something that "just works."
RE: Comment by sonic2000gr
by pjafrombbay on Sat 19th Sep 2009 13:46
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So the whole point of this is for the user being able to install applications on the Mac without even understanding the basics of his/her new operating system? Meaning, we actually condone ignorance and set is as the standard for users?...
It amazes me why folks bother to reply like this. If you have nothing to contribute then its probably best not to say anything. These discussions can actually help folks, particularly those trying to learn a bit more about their PC. A response like this just puts them off.
--PJA
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So the whole point of this is for the user being able to install applications on the Mac without even understanding the basics of his/her new operating system?
Meaning, we actually condone ignorance and set is as the standard for users? OS X is *dead* easy to learn. Spend a few moments and watch a couple of videos (if you don't wish to actually read instruction - seems most people are unable to comprehend written instructions these days, another sad situation) and you will be good to go.
For gods sake you are not asked to install stuff from FreeBSD ports, just drag a blessed icon. If you are not able or willing to learn this, don't buy a computer. Any kind of computer, that is.
Meaning, we actually condone ignorance and set is as the standard for users? OS X is *dead* easy to learn. Spend a few moments and watch a couple of videos (if you don't wish to actually read instruction - seems most people are unable to comprehend written instructions these days, another sad situation) and you will be good to go.
For gods sake you are not asked to install stuff from FreeBSD ports, just drag a blessed icon. If you are not able or willing to learn this, don't buy a computer. Any kind of computer, that is.
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And some people wonder why the general reaction by people who actually use Linux to this kind of nonsense by Thom and the rest of his ilk is to tell them to get lost.
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So the whole point of this is for the user being able to install applications on the Mac without even understanding the basics of his/her new operating system?
Meaning, we actually condone ignorance and set is as the standard for users? OS X is *dead* easy to learn. Spend a few moments and watch a couple of videos (if you don't wish to actually read instruction - seems most people are unable to comprehend written instructions these days, another sad situation) and you will be good to go.
For gods sake you are not asked to install stuff from FreeBSD ports, just drag a blessed icon. If you are not able or willing to learn this, don't buy a computer. Any kind of computer, that is.