Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 18th Sep 2009 18:34 UTC
Mac OS X There are several things which take quite some getting used to when switching from any platform to the Mac. There are things like the universal menubar, the dock, Expose, and many more. One of the things that often leads to confusion for new users is the installation process for applications. Mozilla developer Alexander Limi talks about the problems Mozilla runs into when it comes to Firefox' installation process on the Mac, and a possible solution. Update: A possible solution?
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RE: Comment by sonic2000gr
by polaris20 on Fri 18th Sep 2009 19:37 UTC in reply to "Comment by sonic2000gr"
polaris20
Member since:
2005-07-06

So the whole point of this is for the user being able to install applications on the Mac without even understanding the basics of his/her new operating system?
Meaning, we actually condone ignorance and set is as the standard for users? OS X is *dead* easy to learn. Spend a few moments and watch a couple of videos (if you don't wish to actually read instruction - seems most people are unable to comprehend written instructions these days, another sad situation) and you will be good to go.
For gods sake you are not asked to install stuff from FreeBSD ports, just drag a blessed icon. If you are not able or willing to learn this, don't buy a computer. Any kind of computer, that is.


I agree completely. I can't believe app installation on OS X is an issue, seeing as how it's the easiest of the major 3.

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RE[2]: Comment by sonic2000gr
by unoengborg on Fri 18th Sep 2009 19:46 in reply to "RE: Comment by sonic2000gr"
unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes, installing apps on OS-X is very simple indeed, but Apple could still learn a lot from most Linux distros where it usualy is as easy as checking a checkbox.

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RE[3]: Comment by sonic2000gr
by theTSF on Fri 18th Sep 2009 20:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by sonic2000gr"
theTSF Member since:
2005-09-27

I never cared for that method. Of Clicking the check box. Because if your app isn't on the list then it is a pain to install it. Apple solutions is a simple and elegant solution. And technically easy. You have a directory containing everything you need to run you copy that directory in an other directory.

The Linux library mean you can only used that distributions "PURE" software. Which means installed closed source application is a No-No or just open source apps that are not really popular that solves that once scratch you need to fix.

The Mac OS allows you really install any app from anywhere.

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RE[3]: Comment by sonic2000gr
by tyrione on Fri 18th Sep 2009 20:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by sonic2000gr"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

Yes, installing apps on OS-X is very simple indeed, but Apple could still learn a lot from most Linux distros where it usualy is as easy as checking a checkbox.


My primary dev box is Debian Sid since 2000. Apt-Get/Dpkg and more routinely puke on policy changes and much more.

The brain dead solution for Apple creating a bundle where Firefox keeps all dylibs from 3rd parties is straight forward.

Now Firefox could request Apple to include more 3rd party libs they have build depends against. How far they get would probably depend on how far Firefox moves to using Cocoa's AppKit/Foundation Kits.

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RE[3]: Comment by sonic2000gr
by Babi Asu on Sat 19th Sep 2009 04:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by sonic2000gr"
Babi Asu Member since:
2006-02-11

+ I want to install "Gobli gobli" application on Linux. Which check box should I click?
- That application is suck because it's not GPL.
+ That's not the point. I want to install that application!
- Well, first you must create a petition to the creator to make it GPL. After the application become GPL, you will see the check box for installing the application 5 years later.

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ivaniclixx Member since:
2008-07-14

Yes, that's true, but considering the typical dependencies problems derived from having all the shared libraries, etc. maybe in Mac Os X It'd fit better another system like the one used in PC-BSD where all the packages are statically compiled.

Sorry for my bad English.

Edited 2009-09-19 11:48 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by sonic2000gr
by nt_jerkface on Sat 19th Sep 2009 06:03 in reply to "RE: Comment by sonic2000gr"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

I agree completely. I can't believe app installation on OS X is an issue, seeing as how it's the easiest of the major 3.


How is it easier than Windows?

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RE[2]: Comment by sonic2000gr
by sigzero on Sat 19th Sep 2009 22:51 in reply to "RE: Comment by sonic2000gr"
sigzero Member since:
2006-01-03

You are correct. I don't see how it could "safely" get any easier. Installation is something Apple certainly got right.

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RE[3]: Comment by sonic2000gr
by darknexus on Mon 21st Sep 2009 00:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by sonic2000gr"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Well, if you think that moving an app to the trash gets rid of it entirely, you're mistaken. Many files often get left behind, from preference files (harmless really) to system services and/or preference pains (a lot more troublesome if the app isn't around). And, what about those pkg installers? You know, the ones that throw files all over the place? There's no real simple way to get rid of an app you've installed by that method and, worse, they're should be as it wouldn't take much work for Apple to implement a system that monitors everything a pkg does and would allow it to be undone.
Apple certainly got the installation process about as close to perfect as it's ever likely to get on an open system, I'm not disputing that. But the process of removing an app on OS X is absolutely painful, and I say that as a full-time OS X user and a mostly satisfied one at that. It's an area that Apple really should focus their efforts on solving, not that most uninstallers on Windows do a much better job of removing an app than just dragging it to the trash does. *NIX is the only system that really has removing software down pat, but then again that's only for software in the repos or ports tree (or otherwise controlled by the package manager) (anything else and you're on your own worse than in OS X).

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