Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 19th Sep 2009 22:27 UTC, submitted by haus
Legal The whole saga around the rejection of the official Google Voice client for the iPhone continues to play a prominent role on many websites. We all remember that the FCC had asked the three companies involved, AT&T, Google, and Apple, to answer a number of questions, but Google had censored a part of its letter. The censored section has now been published by Google.
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mieses
Member since:
2006-02-07

(1) Why would you care about Google seeing your data? If you live in the UK then you have no privacy anyways. You would trust Google less than some bureaucrats and secret police?

In the US, ATT is more likely to share your data with the state than Google is.

(2) T-Mobile has excellent coverage in the US and uses GSM. This point is not relevant to the topic, in any case.

(3) Also not relevant. Google voice isn't available in India either. Who cares?

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

(2) T-Mobile has excellent coverage in the US and uses GSM. This point is not relevant to the topic, in any case.


The AT&T network that is being rolled out is 3G WCDMA UMTS at 850Mhz and 2100Mhz for extra capacity in the metropolitan areas. Verizon is upgrading their network from CDMA which is a dead end technology to 4G which will work with the iPhone if unlocked in the future.

As for unlocking, is it possible to purchase an unlocked phone in New Zealand and take it to the US and use it?

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dcbw Member since:
2006-08-31

AT&T originally deployed HSDPA 3.6 in the 1900MHz PCS band. They are now rebanding their HSDPA service to the 850MHz "Cellular" band to get better in-building penetration and capacity mainly due to their large number of iPhone users.

They never had any 2100MHz spectrum. In the US 2100MHz is used for sat<->ground and other microwave stuff. The FCC had allocated 2100Mhz long before Europe chose 2100MHz for their UMTS 3G service.

The rebanding to 850MHz means that suddenly many of the AT&T 2G users lose coverage, because 1900MHz just doesn't go as far and that's where the 2G coverage now in markets like San Francisco and New York. AT&T basically screwed over the 2G users to help out the iPhone 3G[S].

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

1. what is Google's retention policy and how much political pressure does it take for them to open up the database? If you delete something, can you be sure that it is purges from Google's servers or is it simply not visible through the webapp?

2. GSM is broken and will only become more broken. It's not a technology to be proud of given how long the providers have known that it was broken; the average users are always the last to learn about these issues.

3. I agree that the limited distribution area of Google's voice service is not relevant. The issue is that it's been arbitrarily rejected for duplicating iPhone like features; just the way Skype duplicate's iPhone features (and baug bless Skype for it).

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dcbw Member since:
2006-08-31

T-Mobile doesn't have excellent coverage in the US. It has excellent coverage in *many* places, but nowhere near as many as Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T. They simply don't have licenses in as many areas as the other 3 do. But their network can be very good in the areas they do serve.

Their 3G network, while getting better, is still a joke anywhere outside city centers that they do choose to serve. They haven't built it out well enough yet to compete with AT&T, let alone Verizon and Sprint, who actually do happen to have so much more 3G coverage than AT&T that it's a joke.

http://www.cellularmaps.com/image/t-mo_3g_79.jpg

Compare that to:

http://www.cellularmaps.com/image/vzw_3g_t_compare_97.jpg

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memson Member since:
2006-01-01

(1) Because Google seems to want a finger in every pie - they are just as likely to abuse my data as any other company, but at least if I reduce the number of companies with access to my data, I limit the distribution of it.

(2) GSM is the US is a very poor second runner to CDMA, no matter who provides the service.

(3) Also not relevant. Google voice isn't available in India either. Who cares?


Google Voice is what caused this whole stink. The point it - it was rejected/held-up/disallowed for variuous reasons - both political and strategic in nature - that much is obvious. If it had been in the UK, I doubt we'd have this issue, as O2 are a lot more forgiving. I can't speak for other territiories, but for the UK the whole debate is extremely moot.

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