During the roundtable discussion at LinuxCon this year, Linus Torvalds made some pretty harsh remarks about the current state of the Linux kernel, calling it "huge and bloated", and that there is no plan in sight to solve the problem. At the same time, he also explained that he is very happy with the current development process of the kernel, and that his job has become much easier.
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I've been taught the Dutch ELDA rules for these matters. There's somewhat of a debate in Dutch linguistic circles about this. Nowadays, you are only supposed to put punctuation marks within the quotes if they are part of the quote.
Why use Dutch rules on an English website? Because I can. It's my subtle way of promoting my native tongue
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Why use Dutch rules on an English website? Because I can. It's my subtle way of promoting my native tongue
. Punctuation marks have always supposed to be left in the quote, and only when they are part of the quote. That is not a Dutch thing, but an English Language thing. Normally something that is learned in English classes in grade school. What you used was proper English.
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I've always found the English rules, at least, to be a bit silly. To me, delimiters in natural languages shouldn't really be all that different than in programming languages. What happens inside them happens within its own syntactical scope. If you choose to quote a comma in a quote, inside the quotes, then fine. If not, then just leave it out completely. If you choose to leave it in, and then find that your chosen sentence structure also requires a comma just past the end-quote... then use it, even if that means doing:
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The goal of writing, in most cases, should be clarity. And if silly linguistic rules get in the way of that, then ignore the rules. Of course, a decision to ignore the standard rules can have consequences with respect to clarity in and of itself. So you have to use your best judgment, taking into account your intended audience, etc. But when in doubt, do what feels right... and *clear*.
Edited 2009-09-22 23:58 UTC
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2007-12-16
100 per cent sure the comma stays outside the quotes. Add this to your list of "10 most annoying things in Internet news".