Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 22nd Sep 2009 15:34 UTC, submitted by google_ninja
Linux During the roundtable discussion at LinuxCon this year, Linus Torvalds made some pretty harsh remarks about the current state of the Linux kernel, calling it "huge and bloated", and that there is no plan in sight to solve the problem. At the same time, he also explained that he is very happy with the current development process of the kernel, and that his job has become much easier.
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Theo de Raadt told it 5 years ago
by Francis Kuntz on Tue 22nd Sep 2009 19:24 UTC
Francis Kuntz
Member since:
2006-09-23

It is *exactly* what Theo was saying 5 years ago, but it was considered as a troll (sure when you start to criticize Linux).

"It's terrible," De Raadt says. "Everyone is using it, and they don't realize how bad it is. And the Linux people will just stick with it and add to it rather than stepping back and saying, 'This is garbage and we should fix it.'"


http://www.forbes.com/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html

Now Linus is saying it ...

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kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Yadda, yadda.

Andrew Tanenbaum said it 18 years ago.

Problem is Andrew and Theo never programmed a kernel that would do what people wanted, so people used Linux.

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Francis Kuntz Member since:
2006-09-23

Theo does. My firewall is solid as rock ...

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Kebabbert Member since:
2007-07-27

Also the gurus, Brian Kernighan, etc said the same thing about Linux code. The quality is so-so. Just as the Linux kernel developers themselves say, for instance Andrew Morton. When will people wake up and realize that Linux code is so-so? It is not the best in the world, as they think.

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danieldk Member since:
2005-11-18

Also the gurus, Brian Kernighan, etc said the same thing about Linux code. The quality is so-so. Just as the Linux kernel developers themselves say, for instance Andrew Morton. When will people wake up and realize that Linux code is so-so? It is not the best in the world, as they think.


There has always been a discrepancy in mindset. Linus has always been pragmatic, and Linux has often been shipped when it is 'good enough'. And apparently it was good enough, since it runs fine on both low-end and high-end systems.

There may be a day when it is not good enough, e.g. when organizations start to demand proven-good kernel subsets for security. But those systems, if they ever come, will not look like C-based UNIX kernels either, and will probably resemble something like Singularity/Midori closer.

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