Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 22nd Sep 2009 15:34 UTC, submitted by google_ninja
During the roundtable discussion at LinuxCon this year, Linus Torvalds made some pretty harsh remarks about the current state of the Linux kernel, calling it "huge and bloated", and that there is no plan in sight to solve the problem. At the same time, he also explained that he is very happy with the current development process of the kernel, and that his job has become much easier.
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RE[6]: Theo de Raadt told it - forked an OS?
by sbergman27 on Tue 22nd Sep 2009 23:25
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Member since:2005-07-24
You didn't understand my point, my point is that Theo de Raadt didn't wrote OpenBSD from scratch, instead, he forked the NetBSD code base. So comparing him with Linus Torvalds, a person that started his own kernel, it's kind of silly.
Well, I'm a fan of Linus. And I think that, as an OSS personality, Theo is a bit of a turd. But I don't really think that the start is as important as how one actually runs the race. Sure, Theo had a spat with the NetBSD guys (Imagine that!) and forked off OpenBSD. But OpenBSD came into its own long ago. And there is certainly nothing wrong with borrowing and sharing.
Linus started out on his own. But, like Theo, his greatest contribution has turned out to be his performance in his role as the leader. (He certainly cannot be credited with the current Linux kernel in any capacity other than as the BDFL.)
So I certainly think that the two can be compared. And depending upon the criteria selected, either Linus or Theo might "win". Though if one views things in that competitive way... it's much easier to find criteria such that Linus wins than such that Theo wins. I'm just not sure that that is the best way to look at things, since OpenBSD has advantages of its own.
Edited 2009-09-22 23:29 UTC
RE[6]: Theo de Raadt told it - nah..
by jabbotts on Wed 23rd Sep 2009 00:34
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Member since:2007-09-06
was just a joke in passing based on your suggesting that "kernel" and "OS" where different objects while the OS is by definition the kernel, the bit of software between userland and hardware.
More seriously though, I thought Linus started with minix code and built from that.
RE[6]: Theo de Raadt told it - forked an OS?
by TObYv on Wed 23rd Sep 2009 00:51
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RE[6]: Theo de Raadt told it - forked an OS?
by Francis Kuntz on Wed 23rd Sep 2009 08:45
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Member since:2006-09-23
You didn't understand my point, my point is that Theo de Raadt didn't wrote OpenBSD from scratch, instead, he forked the NetBSD code base.
Dude, you should learn history. Theo is one of the founder of NetBSD. It's his baby, he wrote it. The name NetBSD even came from him.
So he wrote the kernel (at least a part as Linus for linux...). What is your argument now ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_de_Raadt
The NetBSD project was founded in 1993 by Chris Demetriou, Adam Glass, Charles Hannum, and de Raadt.
Because of the importance of networks such as the Internet in the distributed, collaborative nature of its development, de Raadt suggested the name "NetBSD", which the three other founders agreed upon.
Edited 2009-09-23 08:46 UTC
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Isn't a kernel an OS? I thought he forked a platform which included a kernel.
(sorry, I couldn't resist.. cheap shot I know but it amused me for five minutes)
You didn't understand my point, my point is that Theo de Raadt didn't wrote OpenBSD from scratch, instead, he forked the NetBSD code base.
So comparing him with Linus Torvalds, a person that started his own kernel, it's kind of silly.
Don't get me wrong, Theo is a cool guy and he has made very good things such as SSH, OpenBSD is also one of them, but I wouldn't compare a person that forks a code base with someone else that creates one, like Linus Torvalds, who has started his own kernel and has been leading one of the biggest and greatest open source projects out there, that is Linux.
Edited 2009-09-22 23:10 UTC