Linked by Jitesh Dundas on Wed 23rd Sep 2009 08:00 UTC
General Development Can computers win the Turing Test? Imagine a day when a machine will say, "Move over Turing! You can no longer consider machines to be less smart than humans! After all, we can think too. We do all the thinking and processing and you take all the credit, just because you are our creator! ". That would be an awkward and exciting situation. To be honest, there is a valid argument here in this imaginary conversation. As naive as it may sound for now, let me assure you that such a scenario is not far away. Applications are becoming more and more logic-oriented and increasingly intelligent.
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do we really want this
by TechGeek on Wed 23rd Sep 2009 14:21 UTC
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2006-01-14

Better question is "Do we really want this?" With computers being used everywhere, do we really want to give them the ability to think? What if the first thing they think is that humanity is a virus?

RE: do we really want this
by kenji on Wed 23rd Sep 2009 15:32 in reply to "do we really want this"
kenji Member since:
2009-04-08

Better question is "Do we really want this?" With computers being used everywhere, do we really want to give them the ability to think? What if the first thing they think is that humanity is a virus?

I agree.

While simple logic A.I. is surely something useful to us in the form of simple robots, machines, software and so on, I would question the need for complex, rational and emotional A.I.

Why would we want to have computers that can act bitchy or sad or get angry? Purely an academic and potentially dangerous exercise really.

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RE[2]: do we really want this
by rirmak on Wed 23rd Sep 2009 16:16 in reply to "RE: do we really want this"
rirmak Member since:
2009-06-23

> While simple logic A.I. is surely something useful
> to us in the form of simple robots, machines,
> software and so on, I would question the need for
> complex, rational and emotional A.I.
>
> Why would we want to have computers that can act
> bitchy or sad or get angry? Purely an academic and
> potentially dangerous exercise really.

The answers are obvious, it's just that they are still hypocritically uncomfortable for many people:

1. To run psychological tests and experiments that would be impossible on real people, due to various arbitrary legal or religious restrictions
2. To eliminate the need for human interaction; dealing with fully controllable artificial persons is much safer
3. To use them as sex toys; emotionally-capable sex toys offer a better sexual experience
4. Unlimited enactment of BDSM fantasies becomes fully accessible to the average consumer (no need for social, flirting, and exceptional self-assertion skills)
5. They can make "motherhood" accessible and cheaper for everybody (think of child custody discrimination that most men "enjoy"): children definitely need *emotional* machines (mimicking mothers), not some cold "simple-logic AIs" as you're suggesting
6. They can be programmed to reflect our egos in ways that could tremendously boost our self-esteem
7. They would be a very strong, probably ultimate, proof against traditional religion (e.g. sanctity of life, human "soul" or "dignity", and many similar religious dogmas and taboos that are still refusing to die)

Edited 2009-09-23 16:26 UTC

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RE[2]: do we really want this
by Laurence on Wed 23rd Sep 2009 16:38 in reply to "RE: do we really want this"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Better question is "Do we really want this?" With computers being used everywhere, do we really want to give them the ability to think? What if the first thing they think is that humanity is a virus?


I agree.

While simple logic A.I. is surely something useful to us in the form of simple robots, machines, software and so on, I would question the need for complex, rational and emotional A.I.

Why would we want to have computers that can act bitchy or sad or get angry? Purely an academic and potentially dangerous exercise really.


One could equally argue that the ability for computers to emot might be important for the safety of mankind.

Without emoting, how would computers understand that their actions are harmful to humans? Or that harming humans is a bad thing?

Judgements like these are a very human attribute thus one could argue that there's just as much logic behind teaching computers to think like humans to protect humans, as there is logic behind the argument that teaching human emotions might turn a computer angry, bitchy and spiteful towards humans.

I can only guess the read world scenario would be the result of the computers learning (in much the same way that humans personality are forged by the persons upbringing).

However, all this is uber hypothetical as we're still a long way off emotionless AI let alone worrying about how to emulate/program human emotions and the risks resulted from.

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RE: do we really want this
by sbergman27 on Thu 24th Sep 2009 07:08 in reply to "do we really want this"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

What if the first thing they think is that humanity is a virus?

Indeed. No one likes a smart-ass who goes around stating the obvious.

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