Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 28th Sep 2009 16:18 UTC
Apple If you have Apple's QuickTime media player and/or iTunes installed on your Windows machine, you might want to keep an eye on apple's Software Update tool. Apple is once again using the update tool to push unwanted software onto users' machines without asking for permission.
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what?
by siraf72 on Mon 28th Sep 2009 17:32 UTC
siraf72
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2006-02-22

How is this any different from the Apple updates on on a Mac?

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RE: what?
by Tony Swash on Mon 28th Sep 2009 17:42 in reply to "what?"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

How is this any different from the Apple updates on on a Mac?


It isn't but the people here who are afraid of Apple's success love to get all worked up about nothing. "OH - MY-GOD I was offered a software update that I didn't want and which might take up 0.0000001% of my hard drive - what will these Apple Nazis do next!?"

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RE[2]: what?
by merkoth on Mon 28th Sep 2009 17:54 in reply to "RE: what?"
merkoth Member since:
2006-09-22

Oh, c'mon, the problem isn't that it might get installed. The problem is that the updater notifies it like "Oh, here's this update for your software!" When you clearly haven't installed it on the first place. One thing is to offer it, but making it look like a software update is another very different thing.

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RE[2]: what?
by sbenitezb on Mon 28th Sep 2009 18:01 in reply to "RE: what?"
sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

"How is this any different from the Apple updates on on a Mac?


It isn't but the people here who are afraid of Apple's success love to get all worked up about nothing. "OH - MY-GOD I was offered a software update that I didn't want and which might take up 0.0000001% of my hard drive - what will these Apple Nazis do next!?"
"

I think Apple is just an example. Anyone can name even more. Buy an HP notebook and you'll see all the crap and autoupdaters installed by default. One autoupdater does nothing, 10 of them do, both in your battery life, in memory consumption, network polling, etc. It all contributes to make you, the user, more and more disatisfied with your experience.

Besides, software updates are not always necessary. Only critical ones are.

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RE[2]: what?
by victorhooi on Mon 28th Sep 2009 21:58 in reply to "RE: what?"
victorhooi Member since:
2005-06-30

"How is this any different from the Apple updates on on a Mac?


It isn't but the people here who are afraid of Apple's success love to get all worked up about nothing. "OH - MY-GOD I was offered a software update that I didn't want and which might take up 0.0000001% of my hard drive - what will these Apple Nazis do next!?"
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heya,

Ok, apart from your faulty maths*, I hardly think disk space is the main beef most people have.

It's with the fact that this update is opt-in (like those stupid Yahoo/MSN/Google toolbars, or every other malware package out there), when they very well know a lot of users (maybe not so much OSNews readers, but the people we'll have to then give help to) will not notice or ignore it. It's sneaky and underhanded - if it was a related, or required package, I could understand, but it's not even tangentially related.

Secondly, Apple tends to install a whole bunch of stupid, resource-hogging background processes. I find this incredibly annoying. It puts Apple up there with annoying Symantec auto-updates, and stupid laptop manufacturer utilities (looking at you, Asus and Lenovo - although I do like Lenovo machines).

And thirdly, their apps run like molasses under Windows. Somewhat unrelated, but if you're going to pollute your users computers with background processes, at least make it lean.

And I'm sorry, but your post reeks of immature Apple-apologetism - "OH - MY-GOD I was offered a software update that I didn't want and which might take up 0.0000001% of my hard drive - what will these Apple Nazis do next!?".

What they'll do next is use the same sneaky up-sell techniques used by seedy malware firms, and dodgy software outfits to get their software in. I can't remember the last time I installed a package on Linux, and was asked, nay, defaulted to installing a completely unrelated package. Sorry, but this just isn't cool - opt-in, sure, but opt-out? No.

Cheers,
Victor

*: On my computer, I have a 128 GB SSD. 40 Gb Linux partition, 40 Gb Windows partition, 40 Gb shared NTFS (these are approx, 1000 vs 1024 and all). Itunes and Quicktime, and all that garbage is what, 120 Mb last time I checked? That's about 0.03% of my Windows partition. Not terribly earth-shattering, but still annoying - I could have stored two CD albums in that space. Seriously, it's a music player - how big does it need to be? And oh gosh, it's also a "music management suite" or something. Ok, so it has a library to talk to iPods. How darn big can that be? Libgpod is what, 2.5Mb when installed? And I don't want QuickTime, I really don't.

Edited 2009-09-28 22:00 UTC

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RE: what?
by steve_s on Mon 28th Sep 2009 17:50 in reply to "what?"
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2006-01-16

The Software Update application on Mac OS X only does updates. It never presents any new software to install.

In contrast the equivalent app on Windows, which looks almost identical, pimps new software, selected by default to install.

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RE: what?
by sukru on Mon 28th Sep 2009 17:50 in reply to "what?"
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2006-11-19

I don't have a mac, but iTunes is no longer welcome on my Windows. Unlike many other freeware (WinAmp), it does actually slow down my computer, and break codec support for Windows Media Center.

Now whenever I need to update QuickTime, I make sure to deselect iTunes, and Safari, and whatever Apple is trying to push me that day.

Edited 2009-09-28 17:53 UTC

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RE[2]: what?
by eric_niebler on Mon 28th Sep 2009 19:23 in reply to "RE: what?"
eric_niebler Member since:
2005-06-29

Agreed. I've gone one step farther: given away my (very old) iPod and uninstalled all Apple software from my Windows machine. I don't like Apple's update policies, pricing policies, App Store policies, DRM policies, their collusion with AT&T, their poor handling of software and hardware defects, arbitrary restrictions (re: no unlocked or tethered iPhones, no multitasking for non-Apple apps, no replaceable batteries), etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum. Enough. If this is what it means to be "cool", then I'm ok with being uncool.

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