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Internet & Networking As you all undoubtedly know, the European Union and Microsoft are trying to work out some sort of a settlement regarding the Internet Explorer case. Microsoft made a very detailed proposal for a browser ballot screen earlier this year, and the EU was relatively satisfied. Now, various browser makers have told Reuters that they are not satisfied with Microsoft's proposal.
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RE[2]: durr
by lemur2 on Tue 29th Sep 2009 00:30 UTC in reply to "RE: durr"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

IE8 follows 4.01 strict standards. Maybe you didn't get the memo http://www.webstandards.org/2008/03/03/microsoft-rethinks-ie8s-defa...


HTML 4.01 strict is just one of many web standards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W3C_standards#Standards

I count 29 there. To be fair, only about 10 of these 29 W3C standards are useful.

IE8 follows HTML 4.01 strict, but it doesn't follow most of the others.

Some of the ones IE8 doesn't follow very well that it should support far better are: SVG, CSS 3, DOM level 2, ECMAScript, SMIL, RDF and XForms.

Some of the emerging (not yet stable) ones that would also be useful are JSON and HTML5. IE doesn't even begin to support thoes.

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RE[3]: durr
by nt_jerkface on Tue 29th Sep 2009 01:07 in reply to "RE[2]: durr"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

HTML 4.01 is the main standards set that defines the document layout, it is intellectually dishonest to describe as just one of many standards.

A lot of the standards you listed aren't even published yet. HTML5? CSS3? Is every browser supposed to support standards that are in draft? At least be honest and state that while IE8 supports W3C standards it doesn't support some in draft that you would find useful.

Maybe you should go to slashdot where intellectual dishonesty is not only expected but praised when it comes to Microsoft products.

Silly me I guess for keeping an open mind and judging software based upon merit.

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RE[4]: durr
by lemur2 on Tue 29th Sep 2009 02:14 in reply to "RE[3]: durr"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

HTML 4.01 is the main standards set that defines the document layout, it is intellectually dishonest to describe as just one of many standards.


Utter rubbish. HTML describes just page layout and hyperlinking. SVG, which describes scalable vector graphics, is just as useful. DOM, which describes how a website gets state information from the client browser, is vital for interactivity. Etc, etc, etc. HTML is only a part of the story.

A lot of the standards you listed aren't even published yet. HTML5? CSS3?


Two out of 29 is "a lot" to you?

Utter rubbish.

Is every browser supposed to support standards that are in draft?


No, although it wouldn't hurt. Every browser of note other than IE supports them without a problem. However, I did say that only about 10 of the 29 would be useful.

At least be honest and state that while IE8 supports W3C standards it doesn't support some in draft that you would find useful.


It also doesn't support 8 or so that have been stable (come out of draft) for over five years now. Support for those would be useful to every person who used IE, and also to a great many people who don't.

Maybe you should go to slashdot where intellectual dishonesty is not only expected but praised when it comes to Microsoft products. Silly me I guess for keeping an open mind and judging software based upon merit.


Ad hominem. Inaccurate.

As far as your claim of "dishonesty" goes - that is psychological projection on your part.

What is dishonest is to claim that a browser follows standards because it happens to follow one standard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

"Psychological projection (or projection bias) is the unconscious act of denial of a person's own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are ascribed to the outside world, like the weather, the government, a tool or another person or people."


Edited 2009-09-29 02:33 UTC

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RE[3]: durr
by Hiev on Tue 29th Sep 2009 02:48 in reply to "RE[2]: durr"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

SVG, CSS 3 are not standars yet, I don't know bout the others.

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RE[4]: durr
by lemur2 on Tue 29th Sep 2009 03:21 in reply to "RE[3]: durr"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

SVG, CSS 3 are not standars yet, I don't know bout the others.


CSS3 isn't but SVG has been a recommended standard for a long time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svg
SVG 1.0 became a W3C Recommendation on September 4, 2001.
SVG 1.1 became a W3C Recommendation on January 14, 2003.


Windows is woefully lacking when it comes to SVG. Abysmal.

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