Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 28th Sep 2009 16:18 UTC
Apple If you have Apple's QuickTime media player and/or iTunes installed on your Windows machine, you might want to keep an eye on apple's Software Update tool. Apple is once again using the update tool to push unwanted software onto users' machines without asking for permission.
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RE[7]: what?
by Tony Swash on Tue 29th Sep 2009 18:38 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: what?"
Tony Swash
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Sorry, I should have been more specific. When I said Macs, I meant Macs OS's, not OS's in a VM. Notice that I did say that Apple isn't really responsible for all the applications that are only available for Windows; it's just that not all developers are willing to write a second version of a program for Mac users.


I just don't understand what you are saying. You said a key thing you didn't like about Macs was that some software is not available on them. I asked what software is not available because I can't think of any software that won't run on a Mac.

Macs run far more software than Windows PCs. You can't run iPhoto, iMovie, iWeb, Garage Band, Pages, Keynote. Aperture or any of the Final Cut Studio suite on Windows PCs for example - all those programs are Mac only. Macs can also run all Windows PC software (and all Linux software).

So where is the disadvantage that you originally mentioned, the disadvantage of dealing with more limited software? I just don't see it.

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RE[8]: what?
by JoostinOnline on Tue 29th Sep 2009 19:33 in reply to "RE[7]: what?"
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2009-09-18

" Sorry, I should have been more specific. When I said Macs, I meant Macs OS's, not OS's in a VM. Notice that I did say that Apple isn't really responsible for all the applications that are only available for Windows; it's just that not all developers are willing to write a second version of a program for Mac users.
I just don't understand what you are saying. You said a key thing you didn't like about Macs was that some software is not available on them. I asked what software is not available because I can't think of any software that won't run on a Mac. Macs run far more software than Windows PCs. You can't run iPhoto, iMovie, iWeb, Garage Band, Pages, Keynote. Aperture or any of the Final Cut Studio suite on Windows PCs for example - all those programs are Mac only. Macs can also run all Windows PC software (and all Linux software). So where is the disadvantage that you originally mentioned, the disadvantage of dealing with more limited software? I just don't see it. "

1) You really can't count programs built into an OS by Apple. That is like me saying "Well you can't run MS Paint so ha!" Get real examples.
2) Macs cannot run programs developed for Windows (like .exe files) without buying some sort of emulation/virtualization program first (and vice versa).
3) You can run the same kind of product (if it is developed), but it has to be programmed in a different format. Do you think the separate installation files for Windows, Linux, and Macs are just for kicks? ;)
4) Several programs (including the ones that come with my college books) only run on Windows. Most of them are homebrew or in the process of being developed.
5) Even if a Mac could run every program in the world, I would still get a PC, because then I don't have to pay tons of money for crappy hardware. Like I said before, hardware is much more important than software. It is the very base of the system.
6) When you talk about running several OS's on a computer, you seem to think that is something special. I could run the exact same thing, including OS X, on a PC (Google it), although it would be illegal. Microsoft made it legal to run Windows on any computer, but Apple makes you purchase everything from them.

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RE[9]: what?
by Tony Swash on Tue 29th Sep 2009 22:37 in reply to "RE[8]: what?"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

1) You really can't count programs built into an OS by Apple. That is like me saying "Well you can't run MS Paint so ha!" Get real examples.
2) Macs cannot run programs developed for Windows (like .exe files) without buying some sort of emulation/virtualization program first (and vice versa).
3) You can run the same kind of product (if it is developed), but it has to be programmed in a different format. Do you think the separate installation files for Windows, Linux, and Macs are just for kicks? ;)
4) Several programs (including the ones that come with my college books) only run on Windows. Most of them are homebrew or in the process of being developed.
5) Even if a Mac could run every program in the world, I would still get a PC, because then I don't have to pay tons of money for crappy hardware. Like I said before, hardware is much more important than software. It is the very base of the system.
6) When you talk about running several OS's on a computer, you seem to think that is something special. I could run the exact same thing, including OS X, on a PC (Google it), although it would be illegal. Microsoft made it legal to run Windows on any computer, but Apple makes you purchase everything from them.


Let me try to make the issue clear here as we seem to be misunderstanding each other. I responded to your original comment about one of the disadvantages that you claim that the mac has is that "the software available is limited".

My response was to point out that you can easily and perfectly legally run pretty much any software on the planet on a mac. Whether you have to use a virtualisation system running in the background to run some software (of which there are many for the mac and which are pretty inexpensive) or whether that software runs natively is irrelevant to your original point and my riposte. The software is available for the Mac - all of it.

In my experience Widows and Linux programs run very well on a Mac, you can run Windows and Linux programs on your mac without ever seeing the Windows or Linux desktops, so the background process that allows those programs to run is invisible. They just open and run on your mac.

You say that macs suffer from having less software - I say you can run more software on a Mac than on a Windows PC.

You made the original point - so I say to you tell me specifically what programs I cannot run on my Mac.

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