Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 5th Oct 2009 21:45 UTC, submitted by JayDee
Hardware, Embedded Systems Just when you thought you saw it all. So, we all know about Psystar, the two lawsuits between them and Apple, and all the other stuff that's been regurgitated about ten million times on OSNews alone. Well, that little company has taken its business to the next level - by announcing an OEM licensing program.
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RE[2]: What I would like...
by wirespot on Tue 6th Oct 2009 11:11 UTC in reply to "RE: What I would like..."
wirespot
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2006-06-21

It's not over by a long-shot.

How many people are willing to build their own machine? A very slim percentage, no matter how nice OS X is. And that's assuming that OS X was built to run on any hardware, which I seriously doubt. It may run, but it won't be the same experience as on the hardware it was meant for.

And since we're talking about it, I see many people saying "Macs are just like PCs, built from standard components". Good, then what's stopping other manufacturers from producing stuff that's just as good? And if they are, then why can't you use that stuff and covet a Mac at all?

Same goes for the software. People say "oh, Apple 'just took' *BSD and added some stuff". So anybody could just replicate what they did, can they? Then why don't they? And if they did, and Linux or *BSD are really that nice, why not use that?

Basically, people are deluding themselves big time. Apple created a very nice hardware combination and a very nice OS, but asks for too much money for it. So people are under the illusion that if they just take the OS and put it on hardware they built themselves they'll get the same experience for cheaper.

Yeah, good luck with that. Doing it in your shed as a hobby will stop being fun really fast. I build my own hardware and software (generic PC parts and Linux) and it takes a lot of passion and dedication (and side-benefits for my line of work) to stick to it. It's no picnik.

As for hoping that a big OEM will swoop in and deliver OS X to you on cheap hardware (a la Psystar) that really really unfair to Apple. What's stopping Psystar, or any OEM, from putting together an equally nice machine and building an equally nice OS? And why is it fair for them to destroy Apple's business by taking the OS that they made and undercutting them?

Are you people so closed minded that you'd welcome a scenario which would ultimately destroy the very thing you want? If OS X was "liberated" from Apple and mass-sold, Apple would go down, or stop developing OS X, or crippling it. OS X as we know it would be gone.

It comes down to this: Apple built something nice and it's entirely their merit. They are entitled to ask whatever they want for it. They are in no way a monopoly. You don't HAVE to use Macs or OS X. If you decide to do, you pay what they ask. If you don't, feel free to go somewhere else, there are many alternatives. Live with it.

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RE[3]: What I would like...
by jabbotts on Tue 6th Oct 2009 15:22 in reply to "RE[2]: What I would like..."
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

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How many people are willing to build their own machine? A very slim percentage, no matter how nice OS X is.
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I think the concern is people gaining the choice of buying osX from other retailers who are willing to build their own machine with osX on it.

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And since we're talking about it, I see many people saying "Macs are just like PCs, built from standard components". Good, then what's stopping other manufacturers from producing stuff that's just as good? And if they are, then why can't you use that stuff and covet a Mac at all?
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It's not about coveting Apple's hardware. It's about installing Apple's coveted software on better and/or more affordable hardware than they choose to sell it on. Other manufacturers are producing equal if not better hardware and consumers are asking for osX installed on that hardware instead of Apple's.

On the software side, many do choose BSD or other user liberating platforms but some people want osX and it really should be about consumer choice not company dictation.

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people are under the illusion that if they just take the OS and put it on hardware they built themselves they'll get the same experience for cheaper.
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No body is "just take[ing] the OS", it's sold on retail shelves, Apple still gets the profit margin it is sold at. No theft is taking place. Also, people are not under the illusion that they will get the same or better experience; they actually *are* getting the same or better experience by putting osX on hardware better than what Apple provides.

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What's stopping Psystar, or any OEM, from putting together an equally nice machine and building an equally nice OS?
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That's probably the reall interesting question right there. I'd personally like to see hardware companies focus on preinstalls of other OS outside of Windows and osX. I mean seriously make an effort not EeepC + Xandros kind of half-try. I'm biased though as I'd benefit from the hopefully resulting hardware vendor awareness leading to better hardware support for my own platform choices. Imagine the consumer benefits of a truly consumer driven healthy capitalist computer market. No more "oh, but our newest hardware only works with XYZ because we choose to ignore your second-class citizen platform."

Psystar devoting budget to sweet hardware packages and working with Connonical for solid *buntu installs would be a welcome site for many I suspect. I'd be happy with the hardware driver support being passed back to Debian as a side-benefit.

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