Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 5th Oct 2009 21:45 UTC, submitted by JayDee
Hardware, Embedded Systems Just when you thought you saw it all. So, we all know about Psystar, the two lawsuits between them and Apple, and all the other stuff that's been regurgitated about ten million times on OSNews alone. Well, that little company has taken its business to the next level - by announcing an OEM licensing program.
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RE[2]: What I would like...
by mrhasbean on Tue 6th Oct 2009 11:56 UTC in reply to "RE: What I would like..."
mrhasbean
Member since:
2006-04-03

Apple's problem is, Macs are simply PCs. There is no difference in hardware terms except that Apple has chosen to use EFI.


Simple question for you - do Pystar machines - or any Hackintosh (or generic PC) for that matter - support Target Disk Mode? (Anyone who doesn't understand the value of this feature alone has no clue about IT support)

Ok, make it two questions. Can a Pystar box (or generic PC) dynamically detect bootable devices connected to Firewire or USB ports or present in an optical drive, at startup, with a single keypress?

Alright, three. Point me at a supplier of standard components from which I can build a Mac Mini form factor system.

Standard components thrown together in a box < standard components in a system engineered for integration, style and ease of use...

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RE[3]: What I would like...
by Kroc on Tue 6th Oct 2009 13:01 in reply to "RE[2]: What I would like..."
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Eaxctly. You can build a Mac, but you can’t build an Apple Mac.

Apple’s case designs and form-factors are simply better than the rest of the industry.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Those, my friend, are SOFTWARE features, provided by OpenFirmware (PowerPC) or EFI (Intel). OF and EFI are both not Apple technologies, and are in fact used by other companies too; OF, for instance, is on my Ultra 5, and provides the same features.

It has nothing to do with the hardware or integration. It's a simple case of using something else than a BIOS. The features you mention are part of the firmware, not the hardware.

EDIT: except the case tyhing, obviously.

Edited 2009-10-06 13:07 UTC

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RE[3]: What I would like...
by kryogenix on Tue 6th Oct 2009 14:26 in reply to "RE[2]: What I would like..."
kryogenix Member since:
2008-01-06

Simple question for you - do Pystar machines - or any Hackintosh (or generic PC) for that matter - support Target Disk Mode? (Anyone who doesn't understand the value of this feature alone has no clue about IT support)


I'll give you that one. Firewire target disk mode is incredibly useful. As more PC's go EFI, you'll see something similar eventually as an EFI module that can be easily installed.

Ok, make it two questions. Can a Pystar box (or generic PC) dynamically detect bootable devices connected to Firewire or USB ports or present in an optical drive, at startup, with a single keypress?


Actually I know of quite a few PC's that can do this and while not as pretty, most will offer a menu of boot devices with a single keypress.

Alright, three. Point me at a supplier of standard components from which I can build a Mac Mini form factor system.


Ever heard of Mini-ITX? Been living under a rock? They have mini-ITX boards with just about any combination of goodies you can imagine with lots of CPU possibilities. VIA C3/C7, Intel Atom, Intel Core, Intel P4, etc.

Standard components thrown together in a box < standard components in a system engineered for integration, style and ease of use...


Don't get me wrong, I like my 2009 Macbook White, it has VERY well balanced hardware and is a great machine but I'm not delusional. It's a PC. It's a very nice PC w/ a mac keyboard and EFI but it's still a PC.

My Macbook WAS CHEAPER and PERFORMED BETTER than any other decent 13" PC laptop available at the time contrary to the belief that macs are expensive. In OSX and Windows at that.

There's nothing special about the HARDWARE that makes it magically easier to use, there's no magic Jobs pixie dust that makes the components integrate better. "Stylish" I'll give you but that's relative. In the end, my Macbook might be shiny but it scratches if I look at it crosseyed. A nice Lenovo wouldn't.

There's really only one special ingredient. MacOS X. That's it. They target it for their handful of hardware which cuts development costs and eases debugging compared to releasing it for use by the unwashed PC masses which makes for a pretty darn stable platform.

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RE[4]: What I would like...
by darknexus on Tue 6th Oct 2009 16:55 in reply to "RE[3]: What I would like..."
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

I'll give you that one. Firewire target disk mode is incredibly useful. As more PC's go EFI, you'll see something similar eventually as an EFI module that can be easily installed.


Other PCs using EFI? When's that going to happen while Windows is still the dominant PC os? Legacy BIOS will continue rather than the much better EFI until either Windows loses its dependance on the BIOS or Windows is no longer dominant. Even if EFI were being used, a BIOS support module would still be required, so for most OEMs it's not worth the expense to bother. Can I buy a PC motherboard with EFI yet? I'd sure like to, but they seem rather hard to find.

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RE[4]: What I would like...
by alcibiades on Wed 7th Oct 2009 06:35 in reply to "RE[3]: What I would like..."
alcibiades Member since:
2005-10-12

compared to releasing it for use by the unwashed PC masses

The problem with these guys, you are quite right, they smell, and they shop in Walmart, and they mostly drive Chevy's. And they live in the wrong neighborhoods, and they don't drink lattes. Most of them probably don't even know what a latte is. I bet they are still wearing Y-fronts.... God, the idea of those people being able to just buy OSX in Walmart. It makes a fellow feel like throwing up!

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RE[3]: What I would like...
by segedunum on Tue 6th Oct 2009 16:01 in reply to "RE[2]: What I would like..."
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

I hate to break it to you, but a Macintosh is a standard EFI-based Intel machine.

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