Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Oct 2009 17:36 UTC
Internet & Networking After long negotiations and back and forths between the EU, Microsoft, and other browser makers, Microsoft's browser ballot proposal has been amended and offered up for debate yet again by the EU; this time around, it will actually be tested out by consumers. A number of changes have been made since the first proposal, so let's take a look.
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Ie in the center.
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 7th Oct 2009 18:25 UTC
Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

Anyone else notice how IE is now in the center? I think that's actually a better spot then the first in the horizontal list. I don't think there is a good arrangement that would be perfectly fair. Maybe the order is randomly generated? Or is that just going to an absurd length?

I actually don't really care that much about the browser ballot, but what I do care about is how to fairly present a number of options for a user to make an unbiased choice.

Aside: Wow, I just saw an add for pystar on Osnews! That's pretty cool.

Edited 2009-10-07 18:27 UTC

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MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

if the goal is to prevent a browser from becoming dominant. So at the beginning of each month, check the marketshare, and show the browsers in reverse of that order. That way, it's self-correcting.

So right now, IE should be listed last. Later, FF will be listed last (it's inevitable that it will become the #1 marketshare browser, and that was the case even before this ballot thingy).

(Opera would always be listed first, or nearly so. They'll always be at or near the bottom in marketshare and they'll have one less excuse when this ballot doesn't change their fortunes one iota.)

Edited 2009-10-07 20:06 UTC

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

if the goal is to prevent a browser from becoming dominant. So at the beginning of each month, check the marketshare, and show the browsers in reverse of that order. That way, it's self-correcting.

That's reasonable. Of course, you still have the thorny problem of a cut-off point. Should Dillo, Elinks, or Opera appear at the top? Or should they be excluded altogether? My own inclination would be to include Dillo, but to exclude Elinks and Opera. Like I say, thorny issue. But I do think that it is an issue which should be tackled, and not avoided.

So right now, IE should be listed last.

Right next to the elephant in the room.

Later, FF will be listed last (it's inevitable that it will become the #1 marketshare browser, and that was the case even before this ballot thingy).

I'm not sure if you are joking or not. I don't see it as being inevitable at all. I don't consider it necessarily even probable. And I'm not certain it would even be desirable. I'm already starting to worry about the way Mozilla Corp is using its (relatively) new-found power. (Trademark bullying.)

It would, however, be better than the current situation, and IE's dominance, IMO.

Opera would always be listed first, or nearly so.

Well, there's always Amaya, Lynx, Links, Links2, Curl, and Wget. But those are all written by card-carrying communists, and should be excluded on those grounds.

I don't think the ballot makes much difference. Because only relatively savvy individuals (the minority) will ever see it. I think that the ballot would be great if conducted properly and if everybody saw it. But they won't. Most people get their browser from God (Dell, HP, etc.) and are just glad when Facebook works, because they're "computer literate" and proud of it. Except, of course, for the ones who aren't, and laugh it off apologetically.

Edited 2009-10-07 20:41 UTC

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Ok, but that would require an internet connection to pull the latest data and a reliable source to trust for the data. Again, I don't really care that much about browsers, I'm more interested in the general static usability problem:

Given N choices of equal value to users, what is the best way to arrange them on a screen to get an even distribution of options selected. If T( a whole multiple of N) people select, then each choice is chosen T/N times.

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