Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Oct 2009 17:36 UTC
Internet & Networking After long negotiations and back and forths between the EU, Microsoft, and other browser makers, Microsoft's browser ballot proposal has been amended and offered up for debate yet again by the EU; this time around, it will actually be tested out by consumers. A number of changes have been made since the first proposal, so let's take a look.
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RE[6]: Comment by Kroc
by sbergman27 on Wed 7th Oct 2009 22:36 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Kroc"
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

I completely disagree. IE is at 65% and dropping really fast. Depending on where you live, it may not even be the most used browser. Not only that, but studies are showing that IE is mostly used by people who have no control over the browser that they use (like people at work).

I so disagree. 65% and dropping fast? That's a little optimistic.

People who have no control over what they use? Like at work? How about sysadmins at work who have no choice about what to provide, because third parties require it for critical business apps that we have to use?

Home users have it easy. I have it easy for my personal use. I can flip the bird to any site whose admins and designers piss me off with their arrogance.

But when I am wearing my sysadmin cap, and my users are depending upon me to get the job done, I don't have that flexibility. And if I've got to provide IE and then go discretely vomit in the corner for having been forced to do that for no good administrative reason...

I do not have that problem with any other browser. Not one. IE is unique in that respect. And I do not see respite close at hand.

I have the greatest respect for you. But from my perspective, I can't help but feel that you are being a bit complacent in this matter. Although I do agree that things have gotten remarkably better than they used to be.

Edit: But the situation still reeks!

Edited 2009-10-07 22:46 UTC

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RE[7]: Comment by Kroc
by google_ninja on Wed 7th Oct 2009 23:21 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Kroc"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0

thats where i get my numbers from. They aren't perfect, but it is the best we can realistically hope to get.

there are a great many companies where you are only allowed to install software that has been vetted by IT. Firefox uses a non standard installer on windows, which makes it a royal pain to deploy on a windows network. That means that in big windows installations, unless you have a good IT team who are willing to go the extra mile, chances are you are stuck with IE.

The other issue is what you brought up, virtually any intranet webapp that was written more then about 8 or 9 years ago is probably IE only (and probably only IE6). This will make up the minds of even good IT teams to only vet IE, since that is the only browser that will work with their internal tools. Anything written the last 9 years or so has less and less excuse to be IE only, and nowadays if someone writes something that is IE only it is a pretty good sign of incompetence.

This is where IE still has a stranglehold, and if you are going to correct things through legislation, this is where you need to do it.

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RE[8]: Comment by Kroc
by sbergman27 on Wed 7th Oct 2009 23:41 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Kroc"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

The other issue is what you brought up, virtually any intranet webapp that was written more then about 8 or 9 years ago is probably IE only (and probably only IE6).

Though IE 7 or 8 will run it. It's still just "IE" to the business user. They don't care about the fine print.

This will make up the minds of even good IT teams to only vet IE, since that is the only browser that will work with their internal tools.

I'm not talking about intranet. I'm talking about Internet. Our intranets I have complete control of. I can rewrite anything I have ever written which is browser specific. Which, to my knowledge, is nothing.

My customers have to, for example, file warranty claims through IE Only, third party, Internet apps to get paid by the manufacturer for the service work they perform. To get reimbursed for the parts, paid for the labor, etc. This is their business.

Anything written the last 9 years or so has less and less excuse to be IE only, and nowadays if someone writes something that is IE only it is a pretty good sign of incompetence.

So I'm supposed to pitch to my client that the folks at, for example, http://www.warrantycentral.net are just incompetent and that we should just not do business through them anymore? It would only cut my client's business by about 90%. But these are thriving economic times. I'm sure they would say yes, as a matter of principle.

I think we live in different worlds when it comes to this particular matter.

Edited 2009-10-07 23:56 UTC

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