Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Oct 2009 17:36 UTC
Internet & Networking After long negotiations and back and forths between the EU, Microsoft, and other browser makers, Microsoft's browser ballot proposal has been amended and offered up for debate yet again by the EU; this time around, it will actually be tested out by consumers. A number of changes have been made since the first proposal, so let's take a look.
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RE[7]: Comment by Kroc
by google_ninja on Wed 7th Oct 2009 23:21 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Kroc"
google_ninja
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2006-02-05

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0

thats where i get my numbers from. They aren't perfect, but it is the best we can realistically hope to get.

there are a great many companies where you are only allowed to install software that has been vetted by IT. Firefox uses a non standard installer on windows, which makes it a royal pain to deploy on a windows network. That means that in big windows installations, unless you have a good IT team who are willing to go the extra mile, chances are you are stuck with IE.

The other issue is what you brought up, virtually any intranet webapp that was written more then about 8 or 9 years ago is probably IE only (and probably only IE6). This will make up the minds of even good IT teams to only vet IE, since that is the only browser that will work with their internal tools. Anything written the last 9 years or so has less and less excuse to be IE only, and nowadays if someone writes something that is IE only it is a pretty good sign of incompetence.

This is where IE still has a stranglehold, and if you are going to correct things through legislation, this is where you need to do it.

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RE[8]: Comment by Kroc
by sbergman27 on Wed 7th Oct 2009 23:41 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Kroc"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

The other issue is what you brought up, virtually any intranet webapp that was written more then about 8 or 9 years ago is probably IE only (and probably only IE6).

Though IE 7 or 8 will run it. It's still just "IE" to the business user. They don't care about the fine print.

This will make up the minds of even good IT teams to only vet IE, since that is the only browser that will work with their internal tools.

I'm not talking about intranet. I'm talking about Internet. Our intranets I have complete control of. I can rewrite anything I have ever written which is browser specific. Which, to my knowledge, is nothing.

My customers have to, for example, file warranty claims through IE Only, third party, Internet apps to get paid by the manufacturer for the service work they perform. To get reimbursed for the parts, paid for the labor, etc. This is their business.

Anything written the last 9 years or so has less and less excuse to be IE only, and nowadays if someone writes something that is IE only it is a pretty good sign of incompetence.

So I'm supposed to pitch to my client that the folks at, for example, http://www.warrantycentral.net are just incompetent and that we should just not do business through them anymore? It would only cut my client's business by about 90%. But these are thriving economic times. I'm sure they would say yes, as a matter of principle.

I think we live in different worlds when it comes to this particular matter.

Edited 2009-10-07 23:56 UTC

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RE[9]: Comment by Kroc
by google_ninja on Thu 8th Oct 2009 04:01 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by Kroc"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

I think you misunderstand me.

Either warranty central was developed quite awhile ago, it uses ActiveX for some reason, or the developers who made it are incompetent. Most of these kinds of apps are internal, which is why I assumed that what you were talking about was internal as well. The point still stands that it is external.

I never said that you should tell your clients that they just shouldnt use warrentycentral.com.

My point is that this is the real problem that still exists in the browser world, and a browser ballot at install time (which will never be seen for corporate installations) will do absolutely nothing to address it. The browser ballot is addressing the main problem of a decade ago. The problem that is still here is in IT departments and old webapps, because outside of that space the browser world is absolutely fantastic.

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