Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 20th Oct 2009 22:10 UTC, submitted by Michael
3D News, GL, DirectX "In late August we started asking our readers for any questions they had for NVIDIA about Linux and this graphics company's support of open-source operating systems. Twelve pages worth of questions were accumulated and we finally have the answers to a majority of them. NVIDIA's Andy Ritger, who leads the user-space side of the NVIDIA UNIX Graphics Driver team for workstation, desktop, and notebook GPUs, answered these questions. With that said, there are some great, in-depth technical answers and not the usual marketing speak found in many interviews."
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darknexus
Member since:
2008-07-15

Perhaps, then, it's time to change without nVidia? Sometimes you've just got to grow a backbone and lay it out. You tell everyone what's going to happen and then you do it. We shouldn't be held in the past because of drivers from one vendor, look at Windows for an example of how much cruft that eventually brings.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Perhaps, then, it's time to change without nVidia?

Haven't we already suffered enough, over the last year or more, from Xorg churn and chaos??? It's time to *stabilize* Xorg. Clearly, we've had enough dream-chasing for now. Holders of grand visions for Xorg need to just chill, meditate, do some opiates, or go f--k themselves for a while.

Edited 2009-10-22 00:09 UTC

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Indeed, but nVidia or no nVidia Xorg is always going to be in a constant state of flux. Actually, stabilizing and desktop Linux seem to be quite the opposite concepts right now, and probably always will be. Stabilizing only happens if there's some guiding entity behind a project, and that's simply not the case with desktop Linux. Xorg has its own, GNOME and KDE have their own, GTK has its own... and everything going in different directions. I think a stable desktop Linux is a pipe dream. The only good thing about the chaos in Xorg now is that it may lead to stability and better performance later, but then again everyone always says that when major changes destabilize a product (*cough* Vista). If Xorg does stabilize because of these modifications however, losing nVidia's binary blob would be a small price to pay if performance is much better on all other video cards.

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Zifre Member since:
2009-10-04

That's certainly possible (look at Wayland), but have fun trying to convince Ubuntu to drop support for one of the most common GPU vendors.

It's easy to say "let's just drop support for nVidia", but in real life, it isn't so easy. It would end up hurting desktop Linux more than helping it, because it would make a large fraction of hardware unusable.

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cade Member since:
2009-02-28

I would not blame nVidia for the current state of "desktop Linux". Desktop PC's are used much more for office productivity applications (e.g. word processor, spreadsheet, etc.) than for gaming/3D-centric applications and in many instances it is Microsoft's Office suite (Microsft Windows platform) that rules the "office" space. Once UNIX/UNIX-like systems have enough market share in the desktop arena then I'd consider if nVidia has any deleterious effects on Linux/etc.

Personally, I use Opensolaris for my development (SunStudio C++) and office (OpenOffice) needs and I am very fine with this. Part of my coding deals with my own C++-based multimedia-engine (OpenGL 3D-graphics, OpenAL audio, etc.) and the NVidia driver for (Open)Solaris has been fine for my development/testng/usage needs.

Most Linux/(Open)Solaris/Unix/etc. users would realise that there is a "sheep" mentality concerning PC usage, from lack of time/inspiration/etc., where most people accept what is put in front of them (Windows-based PC) and never consider if a more better (or less troublesome) computing experience is available.

However, after enduring the "pain" of using an insecure/virus-prone/etc. Windows-based PC, these people tend to be easy candidates for migration to a more properly-designed UNIX-based system like OpenSolaris. I should know as I have converted friends from Windows to OpenSolaris.

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Ed W. Cogburn Member since:
2009-07-24

Perhaps, then, it's time to change without nVidia?



That change is in the pipeline right now, anyone running the latest in-development Xorg software stack, to get the new radeon driver + KMS + 2D/3D hardware acceleration, has seen it.

NV will be forced to change the current structure of their driver to work with it, but I imagine they'll manage to keep up (I'm sure they have a new rev of their driver in development for the new Xorg codebase right now).

Maintaining that external binary blob, though, is what always complicates their ability to support Linux (that and never treating Linux as a first-class platform alongside Windows). AMD will no longer have this problem once their open driver takes over from fglrx, AMD's hardware support will all either be in Xorg (Mesa+driver), or the kernel itself (KMS).

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