Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 22nd Oct 2009 12:52 UTC
Windows It's October 22 today. A completely random date in the grand scheme of things (we Dutch lost a big naval battle to the Ming dynasty on October 22 1633), but it also happens to be the release date of the newest version of Windows - Windows 7. Since Windows is still the most popular desktop operating system out there, this is pretty big news.
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RE[2]: Don't believe the hype
by 3rdalbum on Thu 22nd Oct 2009 13:35 UTC in reply to "RE: Don't believe the hype"
3rdalbum
Member since:
2008-05-26

With that said, I run 7 just fine on a EEE 1005HA-H(atom n280, 1.66Ghz, 1GB RAM), 7 is using about 50% as base after a boot.


I thought Win 7 was meant to be good for netbooks? My netbook came with 512mb of RAM, so basically with Windows 7 it would fill my RAM on bootup.

Vista reportedly used about 400mb on bootup, so things have gone backwards. And sorry to drag out the Linux comparisons again, but I came close to running out of RAM on Ubuntu 9.10 on my netbook - running Compiz, Update Manager, Software Center, Prism, Firefox and Opera (yeah, three web browsers and two package managers, don't judge me!).

So 512mb of RAM used just to display a pretty desktop... that's crazy resource use.

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RE[3]: Don't believe the hype
by dragossh on Thu 22nd Oct 2009 13:38 in reply to "RE[2]: Don't believe the hype"
dragossh Member since:
2008-12-16

I think he meant Windows 7 uses 50% of whatever available memory you have in your computer. All that "used" memory is actually cached anyway.

Edited 2009-10-22 13:39 UTC

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RE[4]: Don't believe the hype
by kragil on Thu 22nd Oct 2009 13:56 in reply to "RE[3]: Don't believe the hype"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Another myth. All cache .. suree.

The difference between XP and 7 is not all cache otherwise it wouldn't start to swap much sooner on machines with just 512 mb.

7 has a lot of new and cool feature, but they need RAM. The new audio and video layer is very cool and maybe currently the best there is, but they need more RAM.

So stop believing the hype (as I already mentioned ;) )

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RE[3]: Don't believe the hype
by Rugxulo on Thu 22nd Oct 2009 14:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Don't believe the hype"
Rugxulo Member since:
2007-10-09

I thought Win 7 was meant to be good for netbooks? My netbook came with 512mb of RAM, so basically with Windows 7 it would fill my RAM on bootup.

Vista reportedly used about 400mb on bootup, so things have gone backwards.

So 512mb of RAM used just to display a pretty desktop... that's crazy resource use.


Check this out (paraphrased a bit):

"Windows 7 needs 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) and 16 GB
available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)

Windows XP Mode (available in Windows 7 Pro editions only) requires an
additional 1 GB of RAM, an additional 15 GB of available hard disk space,
and a processor capable of hardware virtualization with Intel VT or AMD-V
turned on"

So much for an XP replacement! There's no way that's anywhere near acceptable if all you want is XP-level app compatibility.

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RE[4]: Don't believe the hype
by zlynx on Thu 22nd Oct 2009 14:36 in reply to "RE[3]: Don't believe the hype"
zlynx Member since:
2005-07-20

Have you actually found any software that requires Windows XP Mode? I haven't.

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modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

If someone is really running a shop on 64MB systems, then they have no business trying to Run XP.

In my company, we have a 3 year life cycle on desktops. our old P4 systems have 512 MB of memory. those systems are completely gone as of last month. The current old generation system has 1 gig in it. the system being deployed for the refresh cycle currently has 2 gig. I expect 4 gig to be the next point we go to in the next years replacements.

By the end of next year we will be able, hardware wise, to put windows 7 on 90% of the systems in the environment. Most businesses are probably capable of doing it now. To complain about memory requirements is simply a canard.

Windows 7 is one of the best OSs ever. it is as good as Leopard (snow leopard is actually crappier than leopard) and better than Ubuntu in many ways. Its relative goodness being an opinion, but calling it crap or less worthy, especially when compared to XP is just foolishness by any metric.

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RE[3]: Don't believe the hype
by Anonymo on Thu 22nd Oct 2009 15:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Don't believe the hype"
Anonymo Member since:
2005-07-06

No it adjusts to whatever specs you have.

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timefortea Member since:
2006-10-11

So 512mb of RAM used just to display a pretty desktop... that's crazy resource use.


Not in 2009 it's not.

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mickrussom Member since:
2006-05-13

Wasting memory has always been something morons who don't know how to code do.

PDP11, max 4MB of RAM. Lots of stuff got done in there. PDP8 maxed at 32K. Piece of junk that used to help run the world.

Multics systems maxed out at around 48MB memory, the last of which was retired in 2000.

This is a nightmare what people are doing to abuse memory, and more isn't getting done, more people spend more time doing useless things that could easily take up less memory, yet they chose not to do so. The problem then is with everyone being pigs with memory there is never enough even though there is, in a historic sense, many orders of magnitude more of it.

Constraints , particularly with memory, lead to the greatest explosion of technological paradigm shifts in the computing world.

Once the constraints were lifted, things have dragged on, rudderlessly, listlessly, directionless, with companies fighting over what the next anti-standard they try to own should look like. Its rather pathetic, less is getting done, except DRM is everywhere.

Progress.

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Phloptical Member since:
2006-10-10

"With that said, I run 7 just fine on a EEE 1005HA-H(atom n280, 1.66Ghz, 1GB RAM), 7 is using about 50% as base after a boot.


I thought Win 7 was meant to be good for netbooks? My netbook came with 512mb of RAM, so basically with Windows 7 it would fill my RAM on bootup.

Vista reportedly used about 400mb on bootup, so things have gone backwards. And sorry to drag out the Linux comparisons again, but I came close to running out of RAM on Ubuntu 9.10 on my netbook - running Compiz, Update Manager, Software Center, Prism, Firefox and Opera (yeah, three web browsers and two package managers, don't judge me!).

So 512mb of RAM used just to display a pretty desktop... that's crazy resource use.
"

A netbook with only 512MB of ram? Are you kidding? And you expect to run a modern OS on it?

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RE[4]: Don't believe the hype
by marafaka on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 09:39 in reply to "RE[3]: Don't believe the hype"
marafaka Member since:
2006-01-03

Obviously there are people who think that UI = OS.

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