Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 22nd Oct 2009 21:53 UTC
Windows I never thought it was possible, but as it turns out, Microsoft has managed to produce some pretty good commercials for its brand new operating system, Windows 7. They are quite product-oriented, and carry the slogan "I'm a PC and Windows 7 was my idea".
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RE: What features?
by CPUGuy on Thu 22nd Oct 2009 22:44 UTC in reply to "What features?"
CPUGuy
Member since:
2005-07-06

If you mean the UI works because people just happen to know where the features they need to use are, then sure it works because people learned where the features they need are.

But if you mean works as in that 90% of all features requests from already existed in the existing software, then no, the old UI did NOT work.
The whole point of ribbon is to bring all features of the software to the user contextually rather than the user having to go around and find what they need, often times getting frustrated because they can't find it.
Does it suck that in the new version you can no longer find what you need? Sure, but if you take the time to learn it, those problems will be gone, and you'll probably even find that you know how to do more faster.

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RE[2]: What features?
by mickrussom on Thu 22nd Oct 2009 23:10 in reply to "RE: What features?"
mickrussom Member since:
2006-05-13

Nope. Photoshop. Illustrator. Proof you are wrong.

Not everyone has a 30" monitor you need to offset the disgusting amount of screen real estate that garbage ribbon takes.

Also, WYSIWIG, nah, not even on 30" in portrait with the ribbon sucking up space.

For people who actually WORK on a computer, Ribbon is nothing.

Have fun with the new mspaint ribbon. Its great, right? Not enough to make anyone ditch a real program for it.

We should all upgrade to 7 for that.

Edited 2009-10-22 23:13 UTC

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RE[3]: What features?
by CPUGuy on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 00:04 in reply to "RE[2]: What features?"
CPUGuy Member since:
2005-07-06

Photoshop, etc. is not completely menu driven as Office and other MS products were.

Again, I'm not saying one way is better than the other. But Microsoft had an issue where their users didn't know how to access features that already existed so they did something about it.

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RE[3]: What features?
by r_a_trip on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 12:11 in reply to "RE[2]: What features?"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

While I could be as vitriolic about the Ribbon as mickrussom,(even after nine months of use), I will tone it down a bit.

While the Ribbon solves the problem of getting the most options in the users eyesight, it is not without its costs. Trying to present everything is like serving all courses at once at a restaurant. The Ribbon is horribly cluttered.

Office 2007's Ribbon is also poorly separated on contextual actions. There is some duplication and there is some randomness in the allocation of actions to the separate tabs. As an example, why are text layout and copy/clip/paste + search and replace "Start" items? I mostly start with an empty document and only after typing a body of text, will I start putting in bold/underlined/italic emphasis. Plus, when you start, what is there to copy/clip/paste?

What also vexes me is the increase in the number of actions I need to perform to complete a task. I need to traverse a lot more distance with the mouse, switching through tabs and hitting the right button. Some actions also take more clicks than the old conventional menu.

Then there are extra contextual tabs which only appear with certain tasks such as inserting pivot tables. Even more traversing en mouse clicking.

The Ribbon is ultimately a "Noob Interface". It gets all options in the face of someone who doesn't know where to look. The problem with that, is that it also gets all the options in the face of someone who already knows very well what he wants. Someone who'd like some control and ability to create real custom interfaces and have stuff that is rarely needed out of the way. The quick launch bar is a very poor substitute.

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RE[2]: What features?
by sbenitezb on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 02:12 in reply to "RE: What features?"
sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

An ever changing UI is hardly a way to optimally use a program. They screwed it because they need to put as much "features" as possible with each release to keep selling their shit. True is 99% of people don't ever user more than Bold, Save as, Underline, Change Typography, Align, and a couple of other expected features. I don't think a program should have so much features, it makes it very difficult to learn/master. Don't even mention having to relearn how to use a damn word processor with each new release.

And idiots keep saying something like LaTeX is too hard to learn.

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RE[3]: What features?
by PlatformAgnostic on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 06:51 in reply to "RE[2]: What features?"
PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

Um, the team that built the ribbon based its design on telemetry data of which features people actually use. People in the real world definitely do use more than the five features you listed. If you think the discoverability of features in Word is bad for typical users, how do you think they'd cope with the comparative brick wall that is a compiled document format?

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RE[3]: What features?
by tobyv on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 08:52 in reply to "RE[2]: What features?"
tobyv Member since:
2008-08-25

And idiots keep saying something like LaTeX is too hard to learn.


The Troff I learnt 15 years ago still works today, and well into the future. The ~6 week learning curve that just keeps on giving ;)

There is just no incentive, commericial or otherwise, to go fiddling with something that works so well.

Unlike a certain bundle of popular office applications.

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