Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 22nd Oct 2009 21:53 UTC
Windows I never thought it was possible, but as it turns out, Microsoft has managed to produce some pretty good commercials for its brand new operating system, Windows 7. They are quite product-oriented, and carry the slogan "I'm a PC and Windows 7 was my idea".
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RE: Ads are nice - but don't tell you the story
by lemur2 on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 01:30 UTC in reply to "Ads are nice"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

I like the Ads. It short and nice. I like the Tag line "Win 7 is my idea". I can't comment on the OS, I haven't tried it yet.


Don't try to upgrade your existing PC from a previous version of Windows, it will prove very expensive (especially of your time) even if it is actually even possible:

http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/10/22/our-windows-7-special-of...

Gartner estimates that real migration costs will be between $1,035 & $1,930 per user from Windows XP to Windows 7.


http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558769/gartner-pushes-win...

Ouch.

For an update of dubious value, that is a significant outlay if one has a number of users.

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soonerproud Member since:
2008-03-05

Don't try to upgrade your existing PC from a previous version of Windows, it will prove very expensive (especially of your time) even if it is actually even possible:

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Gartner estimates that real migration costs will be between $1,035 & $1,930 per user from Windows XP to Windows 7.

snip

Ouch.

For an update of dubious value, that is a significant outlay if one has a number of users.


First the poster above was most likely talking about his/her personal PC which cost nowhere near $2000 to migrate to Windows 7. The average cost of a upgrade to Windows 7 for home users will be the cost of a OEM copy of Home Premium since Win 7 uses less resources than Vista and does not require significant upgrades.

Next the second link is the Inquirer and they are hardly a reliable source of information on anything related to technology. The Inquirer is nothing more than a technology gossip rag.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Don't try to upgrade your existing PC from a previous version of Windows, it will prove very expensive (especially of your time) even if it is actually even possible:

snip

Gartner estimates that real migration costs will be between $1,035 & $1,930 per user from Windows XP to Windows 7.

snip

Ouch.

For an update of dubious value, that is a significant outlay if one has a number of users.


First the poster above was most likely talking about his/her personal PC which cost nowhere near $2000 to migrate to Windows 7. The average cost of a upgrade to Windows 7 for home users will be the cost of a OEM copy of Home Premium since Win 7 uses less resources than Vista and does not require significant upgrades.

Next the second link is the Inquirer and they are hardly a reliable source of information on anything related to technology. The Inquirer is nothing more than a technology gossip rag.
"

Why did you snip the links?

Is it because you didn't want people to find out that this estimate of the per-user cost to upgrade from XP to Windows 7 came from Gartner?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gartner
"Gartner clients include large corporations, government agencies, technology companies and the investment community. The company consists of Research, Executive Programs, Consulting and Events. Founded in 1979, Gartner has 4,000 employees, including 1,200 in R&D."


So this is anything but "technology gossip".

Gartner's estimate:
"Finally, and perhaps most importantly in these cash-strapped times, Gartner urged companies to budget carefully. The analyst firm said that migration costs could be $1,035 to $1,930 (£635 to £1,185) per user to move from Windows XP to Windows 7, and $339 to $510 (£208 to £313) per user to move from Windows Vista to Windows 7, depending on how the migration is approached."


My bold.

Note also the context: "Gartner urged companies to budget carefully". They are talking about the per-user costs for businesses to upgrade to Windows 7.

Edited 2009-10-23 07:47 UTC

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tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Don't try to upgrade your existing PC from a previous version of Windows, it will prove very expensive (especially of your time) even if it is actually even possible


Since fewer than 1% of people (eg. geeks, enthusiasts) actually do upgrades from one OS to another -- and instead get their OS preinstalled when they buy a new machine -- this is a non-issue for the vast majority of people.

Gartner estimates that real migration costs will be between $1,035 & $1,930 per user from Windows XP to Windows 7.


First, that estimate is based on a projected cost for businesses, not consumers. Second, businesses can't run XP indefinitely. XP is reaching its end-of-life support timeline and, so, businesses are going to ultimately have to incur some kind of migration cost, regardless of which OS they migrate to. Like everybody else, most businesses get their OSes preinstalled on new machines, and then depreciate those assets over some fixed time period. It's not a question of IF but WHEN they will migrate. Third, future OSes aren't going to make migration costs magically disappear. Fourth, these costs don't factor in the use of virtual machine technology for keeping older applications running.

Edited 2009-10-23 18:59 UTC

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telns Member since:
2009-06-18

Don't try to upgrade your existing PC from a previous version of Windows, it will prove very expensive (especially of your time) even if it is actually even possible


My upgrade from Vista to W7 was very smooth. Almost everything worked, and the few things I had to fix were minor. It saved a great amount of time vs. reinstalling from scratch.

Gartner estimates that real migration costs will be between $1,035 & $1,930 per user from Windows XP to Windows 7.


This seems improbably high for a home user, as the upgrade cost would be much higher than the cost of replacing their entire computer, printer, and peripherals. If they _did_ replace all their gear to get W7, the benefits are unlikely to be limited to the improvements in W7 itself. That is, because of progress in the industry they will be getting a much faster machine, more capable accessories, etc.

That isn't always necessary though. As an example of low upgrade costs, my own machine is a couple of years old and started life running XP (though admittedly at the very tail end of XP). My printers are about 5y and 7y old and both work fine. My mice are 3-6y old, monitors are 1-4y old, external sound card is 2y old, USB video camera is 3y old, and my joystick is about 5y old. All of that gear, as well as all the internal hardware, work just fine, so there was no additional hardware cost to the upgrade.

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Like everybody else, most businesses get their OSes preinstalled on new machines, and then depreciate those assets over some fixed time period. It's not a question of IF but WHEN they will migrate.

Oh... You are a lucky person to think that businesses buy new hardware when the old is "too old".
A lot of businesses buy new hardware if:
the old one is broken
the support costs are too high
Most businesses will go with: "If it works, it works".
The third category is only for IT related businesses, that are the only ones that actually renew their hardware on a regular basis. I work for such a company, our laptops are renewed every 4 years. They will even fix my old computer, if the spare parts have higher cost than a new laptop!

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grat Member since:
2006-02-02

Really? Gartner's broken out the crack pipe again, then, especially in IT environments.

Microsoft provides some nice tools:

1) User State Migration, to backup the profile(s) to a server.
2) Microsoft Deployment Toolkit to customize, image, and deploy sysprep-style images.
3) GPO or SCCM based application deployment.

So, backup the user profiles, wipe and re-image the machine, reinstall the applications automagically, and restore the user profile.

That covers 95% of my user base right there, at about 45 minutes to an hour per machine.

As for home users, I wouldn't recommend upgrading from Windows XP to Windows 7 anyway. Vista to 7 shouldn't be too bad, but XP is just too wild and unmanaged to make a direct upgrade safe.

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