Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 22nd Oct 2009 21:53 UTC
Windows I never thought it was possible, but as it turns out, Microsoft has managed to produce some pretty good commercials for its brand new operating system, Windows 7. They are quite product-oriented, and carry the slogan "I'm a PC and Windows 7 was my idea".
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RE[2]: What features?
by bornagainenguin on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 17:05 UTC in reply to "RE: What features?"
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Auzy astroturfed...

Err.. You do realise OSX and Linux also have UAC, but they call it sudo/policykit. Its just as annoying, except that it prompts you for your username and password. Same thing pretty much.

Not even remotely close to being the same thing.

I can't speak about policykit, but I know at least in Ubuntu when I get hit by sudo and have to elevate permissions I get that password request--which proves that I have rights to the system. Moreover it remembers that I have elevated rights for awhile, so I can get whatever it was I was trying to do done.

UAC just looks over at me through bleary eyes and asks: "Are you sure you want to do that?" Then once I've told it that, yes I know that I'm performing a potentially dangerous system task, that might require elevated permissions to be granted--it doesn't ask me to authenticate myself. It just hits me up with several more warnings as I go along, never once asking me to prove I have the right to perform these potentially dangerous actions.

Yes, with sudo may be a bit annoying to have to play "Simon says," but at least the OS is aware that I AM Simon! UAC is a joke.

Auzy astroturfed...
So 2 words, "you fail". And you fail even more as an admin, if you believe that UAC is nothing more then an annoyance.

How quickly they forget...

Read the article and you'll see quite clearly that yes, UAC was designed to irritate you, not to be functional.


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RE[3]: What features?
by boldingd on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 22:00 in reply to "RE[2]: What features?"
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Sudo and su in Linux work much better, both because they actually require you to authenticate, and because they're process-based -- meaning that, after I launch a process as root, I don't get bothered again based on what that process does. If I felt like it, I could launch an xterm as root using sudo when I log in, and whenever I needed to perform an administration task, I could just use that xterm, and it'd never bother me for authentication again. Equally, if I know I'm going to be performing a lot of administration tasks, I can just log in as root; if I do that, the system never even bothers me.

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RE[3]: What features?
by mightshade on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 22:39 in reply to "RE[2]: What features?"
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it doesn't ask me to authenticate myself.

That's not entirely accurate. Yes, it does ask for a password, when logged into a non-administrator account.

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RE[4]: What features?
by JAlexoid on Sat 24th Oct 2009 21:42 in reply to "RE[3]: What features?"
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That is the point! Why the **** do you "need" to access everything as an administrator!?!!? I have no idea.

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RE[3]: What features?
by grat on Sun 25th Oct 2009 23:28 in reply to "RE[2]: What features?"
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Windows 7 UAC is a bit better tuned-- Not sure I'm happy about an application being able to retune it silently, but that's fixable.

UAC is more like interactive SElinux-- Even if you're root, it's going to ask if you're certain you want to do that.

Now, if you remove the "Administrator" flag (ie, take yourself out of the 'wheel' group) from your account, then UAC requires you to authenticate as someone with privilege.

For supporting our (non-privileged) users, this is very useful, as we get prompted for our username/password when doing administration, instead of having to either log out and back in, or having to do fancy "runas" tricks.

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