Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 22nd Oct 2009 21:53 UTC
Windows I never thought it was possible, but as it turns out, Microsoft has managed to produce some pretty good commercials for its brand new operating system, Windows 7. They are quite product-oriented, and carry the slogan "I'm a PC and Windows 7 was my idea".
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RE: What features?
by kurgan2001 on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 17:08 UTC in reply to "What features?"
kurgan2001
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2008-12-31

Since poundsmack won't dissect your post .. I will.

Took away Ultimate Extras


Then don't get ultimate .. you probably wouldn't need it anyways seeing as how the professional is a superset of home premium with xp mode and enterprise level support and ultimate is a superset of both with more language packs, and did you really use Ultimate Extras anyways??

, changed the control panel,


yes .. but you can still get all the icons to show if you really want them.

moved simple stuff like printers around


Yeah .. it new thing on the start menu called 'Devices' where .. oddly enough .. it shows all the stuff connected to your computer .. wow, what a concept.

changed the start menu and forcing the new start menu on people


it's called change .. get over it. I personally like the fact they combined the quick launch and taskbar into one .. it's less cluttered and oh look, if you hover your mouse over the icon you can see the thumbnail or multiple thumbnails if you have more of the same app open so you can switch between them easily.

and all the dumb things like UAC are still dumb.


no .. it's for security. If you were really and IT person you'd know that, oh and you can TURN IT OFF TOO

Its Vista Service Pack 3, with forced changes (no Classic start menu), it will piss of IT organizations again, it really didn't add anything new, in fact, it took things away.


That is complete and utter BS and you know it. The problem with Vista is that MS made it without interaction from the 3rd party makers. That changed with 7. MS sat down with them and collaborated to make sure everything worked. After Vista you bet your ass they made sure things would work out of the box.

This is more or less another big disappointment. Its money for an effective service pack. It makes forced changes to appeal to the 10-15% of people who aren't using windows and gleefully risking pissing everyone else off (the long term Windows users).


Well yeah they wanna attract people to it .. it's called growth and competition, and as for pissing people off. I've used just about every incarnation of windows myself. From 3.0 and 3.11 on dos 6.22 on up to win95, then 98, then 98se, then me, 2000, then xp (not really used NT4 except at school labs) and in my professional opinion this is the best one. I'm not knocking xp .. I used xp for a damn long time before I knew it was time to change.

Moving things around also makes support harder.


what the hell is harder??? you have to learn things??
GET OVER IT. You're in the computer field for a living which means you're going to have to learn new things. Technology is changing at a rapid pace and if you can't keep up then get out of the way for people who can.

And, just to make sure where I am on this, Ribbon stinks, and real applications like Illustrator and Photoshop don't screw with the interface because what is there works for people who actually DO WORK.


Again .. this is your personal opinion and you are entitled to it, but also realize that those are 3rd party applications not created by MS. They can make the interface anyway they want to. I personally find the Ribbon quite useful. It's the fact you got used to the old way and think the old way is the way it should be for all time. Again, GET OVER IT.

I think the biggest leap in innovation was from 3.1 -> NT 4.0, it was huge. It was cutler bringing NT kernel in and making real changes. Things have been incremental till Windows 2003, which in my mind, is the Windows operating system's peak.


Not gonna disagree. The introduction of the NT kernel was a huge leap, but over time you have to move beyond it to cut the dead weight to support the new innovations.

Now its a sad boring death, and it isn't even that exciting to watch anymore.


Again, your opinion.

I have administrated highly heterogeneous networks and IT systems, I use Windows every day, I game occasionally, but I also use FreeBSD, Linux and Solaris every day as well.


I'm wondering how someone who works in the tech field with this much experience can be so bitter about change. Once upon a time Linux and FreeBSD weren't as polished as they are now, know why? THEY CHANGED. Things were added and removed to make things work better. 7 is no different.

Windows XP did everything I need Windows Vista and Windows 7 today, save support more modern wireless encryption with ease (and that could be fixed in XP if MSFT wanted to).


Ah .. so this is why you're generally pissed eh? They could but they won't because it's time to move on.

Also, with Windows 7 XP mode, IT will really hate it, now they have to buy 2 seats of antivirus and junk like that for every workstation.


Then don't flippin use it. I've thrown just about every 32bit app I can at Windows 7 and it's barely blinked. Oh lord if you're still using 16bit apps .. you need to really get the coders to upgrade the app.

Windows 7 should have at least included a real Antivirus, like DOS 6 used to have it (MSAV). But no, in the age of taking stuff away and calling it new, Windows 7 fits right in I guess.


Home users can get a free antivirus from MS .. it's called Security Essentials or you can get AVG or Avast. If you mean IT, then no. That would mean it's for a corporation and you have to pay for it. Yet again, get over it.

64-bit support still remains "hacky" as well, seems we are stuck with system32, wow64, and (x86) bs in certain directories.


'hacky'??? I'm on the 64bit windows 7 now and it's not at all 'hacky' .. like I said, I've thrown about every program I can at it and it runs like a champ.

In a word: Fail. Vista SP3. NEXT. Its worth using simply to get bug fixes but offers nothing new and isn't worth the money.


Then I think you should get out your line of work then. If it makes you that angry, you need to leave and let other people who will learn and adapt with change take over since, obviously, you won't.

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