Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 18:08 UTC, submitted by JayDee
Hardware, Embedded Systems As if selling non-Apple labelled computers with Mac OS X pre-installed and licensing the technology to do so to third parties wasn't enough, Psystar has now moved ahead and has started offering its Rebel EFI package for everyone to buy and use. It makes it possible for just about anyone to install Mac OS X on a non-Apple labelled computer.
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RE: Open/Free Source
by VTPower on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 20:06 UTC in reply to "Open/Free Source"
VTPower
Member since:
2007-04-06

If they are using free software to build their product and sell it (and there is a big chance that's true), it's really a shame.


Pystar has no respect for Apple's IP/Licensing. Why would anyone think they would respect an open source license/GPL??

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RE[2]: Open/Free Source
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 20:11 in reply to "RE: Open/Free Source"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Pystar has no respect for Apple's IP/Licensing.


No respect? They are buying legal copies of Mac OS X, and they then resell those to their customers. I'm failing to see the not respecting part here.

I've done the same thing numerous times, as I'm sure a lot of Mac users have. Does this mean all those people have no respect for Apple's IP either? Or is Psystar magically special?

Copyright law applies to companies and individuals all the same, so if Psystar has no respect for Apple's IP, then it means that anybody who has ever resold a legal copy of Mac OS X does not respect Apple's IP either.

You see how idiotic that is?

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RE[3]: Open/Free Source
by VTPower on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 20:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Open/Free Source"
VTPower Member since:
2007-04-06

No respect? They are buying legal copies of Mac OS X, and they then resell those to their customers. I'm failing to see the not respecting part here.


OMG! You must be kidding! Apple's license specifically states that the os can not be installed on any non apple hardware. Yet that is what pystar does. So yes, they do not respect apple's license.

Copyright law applies to companies and individuals all the same, so if Psystar has no respect for Apple's IP, then it means that anybody who has ever resold a legal copy of Mac OS X does not respect Apple's IP either.

You're completely off in left field now. You're mixing two different scenarios to try and justify your position. It's obvious your a pystar supporter but it's also obvious you lack any knowledge of existing ip/licensing law.

Edited 2009-10-23 20:26 UTC

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Failing or choosing not to?
by mrhasbean on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 23:00 in reply to "RE[2]: Open/Free Source"
mrhasbean Member since:
2006-04-03

No respect? They are buying legal copies of Mac OS X, and they then resell those to their customers. I'm failing to see the not respecting part here.


For starters your summary of what they are doing is incorrect. They are indeed "buying legal copies of Mac OS X" and then yes they also "resell those to their customers", but it's the bit in the middle that you CHOOSE to overlook.

Maybe in Pixicornland where you reside most of the time Thom you can claim that "I didn't sign anything therefore that agreement that I clicked the AGREE button for is invalid" but in the real world those sorts of agreements are presented all the time, and people opt in to agreements like that millions of times every single day. They are the base on which a significant portion of online business is conducted.

It just so happens that Apple's agreement contains a clause that says the product can only be installed on an Apple branded machine. Now unless that clause is successfully challenged it is part of a contract that Pystar (and anybody else) agrees to whenever they install OSX on a machine. So at that point, if they proceed, they are immediately in breach of civil contract law if the machine they are installing on isn't an Apple branded machine.

Breaching a contract that you have agreed to, just because you don't like one of the clauses, without successfully challenging that clause, is the height of disrespect, whether you choose to see it or not...

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RE[2]: Open/Free Source
by golimpio on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 20:23 in reply to "RE: Open/Free Source"
golimpio Member since:
2009-10-17

"Pystar has no respect for Apple's IP/Licensing. Why would anyone think they would respect an open source license/GPL??
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Good point.

Anyway, I'll wait to make sure they are not making unappropriated use of open source software. I'm a developer and I contribute to open source communities. I can't support Psystar.

Edited 2009-10-23 20:27 UTC

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