Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 25th Oct 2009 12:51 UTC
Editorial A couple of years ago, a professor at my university had a very interesting thought exchange with the class I was in. We were a small group, and I knew most of them, they were my friends. Anyway, we had a talk about language purism - not an unimportant subject if you study English in The Netherlands.
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Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Sun 25th Oct 2009 14:38 UTC
Kroc
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2005-11-10

Well written Thom, thank you. Nice to see an opinion piece on OSnews that isn’t directly related to someone else’s RSS feed. This is what OSnews needs.

As for the point—Apple have a legal requirement to protect their brand. As far as I’m aware, there’s no legal precidant to protect the current form of any language, except perhaps for the school curriculum, but then you hardly get people up in court for crimes against language.

Interesting factlet—the Hebrew language barely changed at all during the period of the formation of Israel and the beginning of the writing of the Bible until Israel were cut off by the Roman invasion 1500 years later. Essentially since the Holy texts were a core part of their culture and studied at all ages, it acted as a central reference point for the language and prevented wild deviation that would of alienated people from the text.

Sometimes languages have to change, and sometimes they don’t need to. In the case of Apple, they did their changing during the 90’s—now they want to keep things the way they are; Microsoft are in the exact opposite position. It’s all quite odd.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 25th Oct 2009 15:35 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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Apple have a legal requirement to protect their brand.


No they don't. They have to protect their trademark, or else they'll lose it. If your brand is strong enough, then you don't need to offensively protect it.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by frajo on Sun 25th Oct 2009 18:52 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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As far as I’m aware, there’s no legal precidant to protect the current form of any language, except perhaps for the school curriculum, but then you hardly get people up in court for crimes against language.

AFAIK there are language laws in France. Seems they are not allowed to use English expressions in their ads if there are equivalent French ones.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Sun 25th Oct 2009 19:20 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-11-10

A bit ironic coming from a country where French was hardly spoken by anybody until the industrial revolution and subsequent patronage by Napoleon. The whole idea of the typical 'Frenchman' started with him.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by StephenBeDoper on Sun 25th Oct 2009 19:49 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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2005-07-06

As for the point—Apple have a legal requirement to protect their brand.


It's trademarks that they must protect, or risk losing their claims to them. But so far as I'm aware, Apple hasn't accused Psystar of trademark violation (it appears that Psystar has been fairly careful to avoid using "Mac," "Macintosh," or "Apple" in any of their product names).

As far as I’m aware, there’s no legal precidant to protect the current form of any language, except perhaps for the school curriculum, but then you hardly get people up in court for crimes against language.


Unless you put up English signage in Quebec, that is ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9...

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by twitterfire on Mon 26th Oct 2009 12:54 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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2008-09-11

Well written Thom, thank you. Nice to see an opinion piece on OSnews that isn’t directly related to someone else’s RSS feed. This is what OSnews needs.


I think that's interesting and I'm liking it but that's one problem: the site begins to be more like OStalks insted of OSnews.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by twitterfire on Mon 26th Oct 2009 13:00 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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2008-09-11


Interesting factlet—the Hebrew language barely changed at all during the period of the formation of Israel and the beginning of the writing of the Bible until Israel were cut off by the Roman invasion 1500 years later. Essentially since the Holy texts were a core part of their culture and studied at all ages, it acted as a central reference point for the language and prevented wild deviation that would of alienated people from the text.


Regarding Hebrew: it was a dead language like latin spoken for 2000 yars only by some clerics. Exactly like latin. That's why it didn't change. And after creation of Israel it was forcefully enforced as the state language. I mean, at the time the State of Israel was formed, the vast majority of hebrews didn't spoke hebrew. They spoke english, yddish, french, russian, etc.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by griffinme on Mon 26th Oct 2009 16:49 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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2005-11-09


Interesting factlet—the Hebrew language barely changed at all during the period of the formation of Israel and the beginning of the writing of the Bible until Israel were cut off by the Roman invasion 1500 years later. Essentially since the Holy texts were a core part of their culture and studied at all ages, it acted as a central reference point for the language and prevented wild deviation that would of alienated people from the text.


Yet in 300B.C. they felt the need to translate the Bible into Greek, the Septuagint, because so many Jews didn't understand the Hebrew anymore. By the time of Christ it was the standard *** version. Even the quotes in the New Testament and Josepheus use the Septuagint version. Hebrew had fallen into disuse to the point that the New Testament was written in Koine Greek because that was the lingua franca of Palestine and the Mediterranean.

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