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RE[2]: You do not own Mac OSX, you License it.
by Abstract on Sun 25th Oct 2009 21:04
in reply to "RE: You do not own Mac OSX, you License it."
Various judges disagree with you on that one, most recently Vernor vs. Autodesk. Whose word to take...
Had to go look up Vernor vs Autodesk.
Vernor wasn't selling a computer with Autodesk pre installed, Psystar is selling computers with Mac OSX pre-installed. Apple vs Psystar isn't about Psystar reselling copies of Mac OSX, like Best Buy, Amazon, etc.. are doing, its about Psystar selling computers with Mac OSX already installed on it.
RE[3]: You do not own Mac OSX, you License it.
by wirespot on Sun 25th Oct 2009 22:31
in reply to "RE[2]: You do not own Mac OSX, you License it."
Do not bother. Myself as well as others have pointed out to him why Vernor vs Autodesk is not similar to Apple vs Psystar. PJ from Groklaw did a pretty thorough analysis and explained why that is not the case, and has offered a more appropriate example (MDY vs Blizzard).
http://groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009081716312060
He still keeps going on about it, like a broken record. And it's quite hard to argue sensibly with someone who covers their ears and sings "Twinkle twinkle little star" loudly. Usually they're not adults.
Edited 2009-10-25 22:35 UTC
RE[2]: You do not own Mac OSX, you License it.
by DrillSgt on Sun 25th Oct 2009 23:35
in reply to "RE: You do not own Mac OSX, you License it."
"Why does everyone keep making the mistake of thinking they own their copy of Mac OSX? When you buy the "retail" copy, you are purchasing a License to use it
Various judges disagree with you on that one, most recently Vernor vs. Autodesk. Whose word to take... "
Vernor vs. Autodesk confirms that you do indeed own the copy of the software. Which means you can shred it, eat it, burn it, whatever you want to that specific copy. The same case also confirms that *use* of the software is governed by the license, which means you must adhere to the terms of the license when you actually install and use it.
RE[3]: You do not own Mac OSX, you License it.
by alcibiades on Mon 26th Oct 2009 08:14
in reply to "RE[2]: You do not own Mac OSX, you License it."
Vernor vs. Autodesk confirms that you do indeed own the copy of the software. Which means you can shred it, eat it, burn it, whatever you want to that specific copy. The same case also confirms that *use* of the software is governed by the license, which means you must adhere to the terms of the license when you actually install and use it.
Yes, this is true, but it is also true that Blizzard in the WoW case directly contradicts Vernor on this point. Not that it matters outside the US. As to which will eventually become binding precedent in the US, we will have to wait and see.
I'm not sure Thom is right (as I was also not right earlier) to think that the fact that WoW is a service is a decisive factor. The sections of the Blizzard judgment that refer to purchase versus license do not make any reference to the service. The sections which in effect conclude that when you use a product in violation of EULA, such use, because you no longer have permission to copy to memory, are copyright infringing, also do not make reference to the fact that WoW is a service.
I agree with Thom that the case of Psystar has no bearing on the GPL, and PJ has never made any coherent argument that it does.
RE[3]: You do not own Mac OSX, you License it.
by zlynx on Tue 27th Oct 2009 02:23
in reply to "RE[2]: You do not own Mac OSX, you License it."
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Various judges disagree with you on that one, most recently Vernor vs. Autodesk. Whose word to take...