Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 25th Oct 2009 12:51 UTC
Editorial A couple of years ago, a professor at my university had a very interesting thought exchange with the class I was in. We were a small group, and I knew most of them, they were my friends. Anyway, we had a talk about language purism - not an unimportant subject if you study English in The Netherlands.
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Apple purist...
by Luposian on Sun 25th Oct 2009 21:34 UTC
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I am such an Apple/Mac purist, there are only two types of Apple computers:

1) Apple Macintosh and Power Macintosh computers (from the 128K, to the last G5 made)

2) Apple PC's that natively run MacOS X.

The Macintosh no longer exists.

Well.. actually, that's entirely too true... it's now "Mac" this and "Mac" that. iMac, MacBook, Macbook Pro, Mac Pro, Mac Mini...

I will always love the Macintosh and Power Macintosh. I will always disdain Apple PC's.

Remember "Think Different" (when the hardware AND software WERE different)? It ain't that anymore! Now it's simply a different OS on the same hardware as a standard PC, with software code that keep it from running on non-Apple PC hardware.

Gee, Apple sure didn't have any of this PsyStar junk going on in the good ol' PowerPC days, did they? Remember the brief cloning that went on, back in the days of the 8500/120 (back when top-end Macs used to cost $4,500-$5,000, minus hardware upgrades/additions)? That sure didn't last very long, did it? Why? Because all it ever did was rob Apple of sales. It never benefited them more mindshare or popularity.

Since going the "Intel" route, Apple has deliberately made this bed for themselves and they WILL sleep in it. They *could* have made enough custom changes to their boards to make an "Intel Mac" different enough you COULDN'T put MacOS X on a standard PC with a few software hacks. But they didn't. And, said system, also wouldn't natively boot Windows, either, which is my biggest issue against Apple nowadays. Macs are Macs and run MacOS X. PC's are PC's and run Windows and every other X86 OS available for that platform, and never the twain should meet, nor cross paths, except under emulation!

It's Apple's fault they're in the boat they're now rowing (and trying to keep afloat)... and may they sink to the bottom of the ocean because of their bad judgement.

As far as I'm concerned, Apple died the day they switched to the Intel. Not just because of the CPU (it's performance increases over PowerPC cannot be denied, even by a die-hard PowerPC fan like myself, who started using the Mac when the 6100/60 (using System 7.1.2, the first PowerPC version of System 7) was released), but because they took it so far as to be nothing more THAN a PC, natively running MacOS X. Well, it ALSO runs Windows 100% natively! So is it a Mac or is it a PC (I think the Apple ad says it best, when the Mac claims to *ALSO* be a PC!)? Depends upon which OS you're running on it, nowadays. It's a "Mac", in name only, as far as I'm concerned.

You wanna talk about being a "purist". I'm one of the few that are the purist of the pure Mac users. Nothing less that 100% hardware isolation from what is considered a "Windows platform" (which is what the Mac might as well be classified as, today), will suffice for me.

Back in the good ol' days, being a Mac user meant having a system AND OS that were wholly different and independant from PC's and Atari ST's and Amigas and all those other systems.

Nowadays, the fight is over which OS is better than the other. Who cares. The day Apple went Intel, I became OS agnostic. Windows? MacOS X? Ubuntu? Haiku? BeOS? All just slightly different ways of interfacing with the computer, to accomplish the same goal. None better than the others, just different ways of doing the job.

I miss the days when I was proud to be a Mac user and loved Apple. But those days are gone now. Now, I actually PREFER to use Windows or Ubuntu or Haiku over MacOS X. Probably because I know what MacOS X has become... just another OS on the Intel platform. Sure, you can say, MacOS X was always an Intel OS, behind the scenes, but... until that day finally came (when they changed platforms), I was actually HAPPY as a MacOS X user. Ignorance IS bliss, I suppose.

[Rant mode disengaged]

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RE: Apple purist...
by wirespot on Sun 25th Oct 2009 22:54 in reply to "Apple purist..."
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See now, this is what I call a proper fanatic. They don't make them like that nowadays (he's probably 50, in mind if not in body). Decades of evolution and R&D be damned, gimme back my 80's. iPod? iPhone? Mac? What are those? I want my Macintosh!

Some people look to the future and wonder what technological advances they'll get to experience within their lifetimes. Some cling to the past and remain frozen in it.

Actually, I take that back. He's not 50, he's 30. He got to experience the Macintosh when he was young and impressionable and it put an indellible mark on him. Dude, we all had computers we loved when we were kids. They're gone. Get over it.

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RE[2]: Apple purist...
by Luposian on Sun 25th Oct 2009 23:28 in reply to "RE: Apple purist..."
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See now, this is what I call a proper fanatic. They don't make them like that nowadays (he's probably 50, in mind if not in body).

41, actually. Born in 1968. Saw our 7-11 go from Pinball machines to Asteroids. Was around when the Atari 2600VCS was a 6-switch unit. Saw every advance of home gaming technology from the 2600 to the Jaguar. The Zenith Odyssey. The Vectrex. From the Nintendo Entertainment System (otherwise known as the NES) to the Nintendo Wii. From the Sega Master System to the Sega Dreamcast. From the Sony Playstation to the Playstation 3. Xbox to Xbox 360.

Saw every advance of computing technology from the Apple II, Atari 8-bit, Atari ST, Commodore VIC-20, Commodore 64, Commodore 128, Amiga 500/1000/1200/2000/3000/4000, and IBM PC Jr. to the latest Wintel PC's made today and fastest Apple PC's made today (or is that redundant, as they're 100% identical?).

On and on I could go... and would, but I gotta take a nap before going to church tonight... us old timers have more to worry about than just livin' in the 70's, 80's, 90's, and the 2000's, ye young whipper-snapper!

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RE[2]: Apple purist...
by Kroc on Mon 26th Oct 2009 07:43 in reply to "RE: Apple purist..."
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And I presume that you are simply too young to remember where we’ve come from, and thus why it’s so worrying where we’re going with technology.

Do you remember the days when your computer was your own? That, given time, you could learn *everything* about it, every inner working, every part. It started up, and it was yours to do with as you saw fit instead of this notion of EULAs and licences telling you what you can and can’t do. When all the development tools you needed came with the computer and you didn’t need someone else’s permission to develop something for it.

You’ve grown up in a world where you take it as given that you basically have no freedom over your own purchases and equipment.

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RE: Apple purist...
by dbolgheroni on Mon 26th Oct 2009 14:54 in reply to "Apple purist..."
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I don't know what was the Apple plan when they switched, but afterall, I don't think performance was the argument when people bought Apple computers in the past. So, I don't think it was wise to switch to x86 in the long-term. On the other side, Apple users are usually blind about that. They don't care if what is under the wood is Intel x86, PowerPC or whatever.

Didn't see your post before, but look at my post below called "Price of the switch to x86".

I usually take the "developer approach" rather than an "user approach". So, I don't run Windows, nor Mac OS X on PC, nor Linux. BUT, that said, yes, I agree with you. You don't even "feel" Apple computers are different today. I have some old Macs too, from the days of the Motorola 68K, like Quadras, to the days of PowerMacs, but don't want a new Mac Wintel.

Edited 2009-10-26 14:55 UTC

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